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GO FOR IT . . .
* An LLM will give you in-depth understanding of a specialist field (such as competition or intellectual property law). This will make you very attractive to the firms that target those areas
* An LLM will offer opportunities for work placements that will take you right to the heart of the leading practitioners or industry leaders
* You will be stretched intellectually and academically and will have the opportunity to meet some of the leading thinkers in the field
* You will have enhanced your academic status and will not be embarrassed in the future by better-qualified colleagues
* You can study for an LLM part-time
* An LLM is the first step towards a career as an academic.
YOU HAVE GOT TO BE JOKING . . .
* Doing an LLM, as a full-time student, suggests that you are not seriously committed to life in practice but prefer theorising
* Many LLMs are primarily for non-UK students so your peer group will be those whose language skills and academic credentials may not be as strong as yours
* A full-time LLM will cost you (or your parents) money that is unlikely to be recouped; meanwhile, you have lost a couple of year’s earning potential
* The academic status of some LLMs is seen as inconsistent — especially when they build on a Legal Practice Course or Bar Vocational Course A part-time LLM will be very stressful on top of the day job
* An LLM is the first step towards a career as an academic
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Why be just another schmuck with a 2.1 when ONE FURTHER YEAR of full-time study can make you a specialist in your chosen field, with extra letters after your name to prove it?
The PHD is for academic boffs, but the LLM, or Masters Degree, is equally valuable to practitioners who wish to MASTER their chosen field. GO FOR IT.
Richard Augustine Murtagh, Birmingham, UK
I am an LLB student currently in my second year . The best students in my year are foreigners with foreign accents.A few have managed to get vacation placements with a magic circle firm and international US firms. Their accents might not be clean English accents but they put their messages across very clearly and they are very good mooters too.
miriam, london,
I intend to take the LLM beginning in September 2008. I am in my final year of my LLB degree. To suggest that I prefer theorising instead of being "not seriously committed to life in practice" is a very closed minded comment. Securing a training contract in England is extremely competitive particularly in the global, commercial based firms in London. The LLM can provide an applicant with the very knowledge and understanding of the global markets and how the law operates in this context in order to be a better solicitor in the global firms. Indeed the LLM can lead to an academic career but it can also enhance ones skill as a solicitor.
Matthew Friedlander, Cambridge,
At Oxford's LLM ( perversely called the BCL for historical reasons), those who top the field are generally foreigners.
Thera, Sussex, UK
I took the BVC and the standard of the foreign students was very low. Their English skills were very poor and disrupted the class. Try practicing advocacy with someone who cannot speak English. This is not what you expect when you pay so much in fees. However this is not the fault of the foreign students, but the fault of the schools who are greedy and willing to take any foreign student who is willing to pay the fees.
Antony, London, England
Being a french-qualified lawyer myself, I decided to go for a LL.M. 2 years ago. Although it was a satisfying experience, I have to admit that foreign students, in their majority, were not living up to the standards I was accustomed to.
Without working much I got my degree 'with distinction' and walked out of Glasgow with the strange impression that UK universities are accepting international students as a way to finance themselves (a non-EU student pays GBP 10.000 for a LLM). No wonder the benefit of doing a LLM is discussed in UK, while in France or Germany, it is absolutely necessary in order to get a position in a lawfirm.
I am not saying that foreign students are not on par with europeans, I am saying that foreign students are not exposed to the same level of expectancy from academic staff, lowering the overall reputation of these courses. And it is true that a few lawyers from Pakistan, India and China are properly astonishing - those only enrol a BVC/LPC/PhD afterwards.
Vianney, Paris, France
My first degree is B.Eng (Hons) in Telecoms, Swansea. I have finished an LL.M in Int Commercial Law, part time Northumbria with my project on a comparative study between EU & US competition law for legal clarity in Mergers.
The LL.M helps me in my role as a freelance consultant in Int M&A Projects, IT and change management. I have the depth to understand and provide analysis to conceptually challenging issues with Projects relating from local contracts to IDR to IPR issues.
It sets me aside from engineers who do MBA's, as I approach issues with the legal ramifications and hence can be proactive to problems. It is already being recouped both in assisting my clients and also setting me above the crowd as being British that works purely on Int Projects within M&A qualified in Engineering and Int Law. It is down to what you wish the LL.M to do. i.e the person not the degree...
Gareth Kerr. B.Eng (H), LL.M, Munich, Germany
I cannot agree more with N Salleh's comments. I find it laughable that it can be for even one moment be suggested that foreign students are inferior to those in the UK. - a very big generalisation indeed, and certainly not one that I consider to be appropriate for such a reputable paper.
Wilhelm Matthee, South Africa
Wilhelm Matthee, London, England
Could you possibly be suggesting that 'non-UK' students are not on par academically and language-wise as UK students? From my 3 years at university and then subsequently at a BVC provider I have come across many who represent the exact opposite of that statement, and even outperform their UK peers. If the general consensus is to be believed, universities recruit fairly based on a myriad of criteria, so those accepted on the LLM (or indeed on any other course you apply to) would be more or less on a level playing field, 'UK' or 'non-UK'.
N. Salleh, Bandar, Brunei