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Anglo-French warfare, waged over centuries on battlefield and rugby pitch, is alive and well if the response to Hortense de Monplaisir’s diatribe against the English in last week’s News Review is anything to go by.
In our extract of Le Dossier: How to Survive the English, “translated” by Hortense’s alter ego, Sarah Long, she declared that after 10 years in Fulham, she understood the English “better than they do themselves”. She described the English as living like “troglodytes” in converted cellars, our women as “the great sluts of Europe, with no feeling for housework” and our men as being “no good at sex”. This, many of our readers took with humility, but when she went on to deride our national treasure, Dame Judi Dench, many felt she had overstepped the mark.
So incensed were some of our readers by de Monplaisir’s audacious attack on her host nation that we felt it only right, proper (and English) to allow a riposte. The responses seemed to fall into distinct groups: those who wholeheartedly agreed with de Monplaisir; those who were appalled at her lack of judgment and manners; and those who took time to ruminate on the politics, culture, hygiene and personal appearance of the French. Interestingly, most of the responses in support of de Monplaisir were written by English expatriates.
On appearance, many objected to the notion that all Frenchwomen are small-bottomed and immaculately coiffured. Grahame from Broomfield, in Kent, wrote that he had “always found Frenchwomen butch and unattractive in general, and with questionable hygiene, plus look at who the face of Chanel is” – the delectable (and English) Keira Knightley.
One of our readers used his own girlfriend to contradict Hortense: “My French girlfriend can’t cook and only brushes her teeth every few days. She also dresses like a clown. But I do love her.” (K, Bristol) An Englishwoman living in France took exception to her compatriots being labelled as the “great sluts of Europe”.
“How about the French housewives who, having never heard of epilation, cycle happily home from the boulanger with the baguette stuck under their sweaty armpits?” she railed. “Or the French habit of flushing the loo once a day to save water? Better still, the men that you can see peeing on any roadside all over France. Women who turn up at the beauty salon and have what looks like camembert between their toes thinking that it wasn’t worth washing before going to the salon as it’d get done there!”
“Well, we may all have huge bottoms,” wrote Cat Walker from Birmingham, “but at least we use proper toilets here in England, unlike the French, who insist on going by the side of the road. Leave Paris and not 10 miles out of the city you start to see country lanes strewn with toilet paper. Disgusting.”
De Monplaisir poured scorn on Englishwomen for “ingratiating themselves with the maid, rushing around to clean up before they come, then apologising for the state of the house”. This, she said, made cleaners spoilt and made it harder for Frenchwomen to demand the level of service they needed. To which Laurence from Bristol retorted: “I’m actually a complete bastard to my servants . . . or at least I would be if I had any.”
S Ward, from Brighton, wrote that in his romantic encounters with Frenchwomen: “I personally found their lovemaking cold and unimaginative in comparison to American or Italian women, and their cooking at home: sacré bleeeugh.”
Captain Haddock from Hampshire, a self-confessed Francophile, took a more balanced view: “French food – I’ve had some wonderful meals there. I’ve had some of the worst also. Beautiful women – yes, there are many but I’ve seen some of the ugliest and worst-dressed women in the world teetering between the piles of dog poo on the boulevards.”
“Frenchwomen and dress sense?” asked Anne in France. “Ha ha ha! Round here the look is off-duty prostitute.”
The Americans were keen to lend us a hand (conforming to stereotype as well, it would seem) in fending off Madame’s attacks. Jedsil from New York wrote: “The French are like the caricature of the classic indolent brother-in-law. He doesn’t work, produces nothing of consequence, but has a taste for the finest things in life: yours. I adore the UK, but America has one great advantage over your country. We are further away from France.”
The relaxed French lifestyle so championed by de Monplaisir, was roundly set upon by Phil Barlow from the Wirral who pointed out: “The suicide rate in France is 2½ times higher than the UK (source WHO International).”
Frank D from Boston, in the US, said: “The funniest part was utilising ‘French’, ‘efficiency’ and ‘excellent service’ in the same vapid thought bubble . . . Even the new French president admits what a train wreck France has become.” In her CV, it was pointed out that Hortense had “exceptional IQ” and was a member of French Mensa. Ally from Keswick retorted: “The French branch of Mensa clearly has lower entry requirements than the one in Britain.”
John from Oxford took exception to the admission from a person of “exceptional IQ” that a picture of Ségolène Royal, resplendent in a bikini at the age of 52 during the presidential campaign, filled her with national pride. “I am surprised that . . . Royal is able to instil pride through her physique despite the naivety and stupidity of the failed candidate’s shambolic campaign.”
Deriding the English culture was similarly ill-received. “Hortense does not understand the English if she believes she can slight Dame Judi Dench with impunity,” wrote Jill from Devon. Steve Hillage from London also took the writer to task. “And our singers like Johnny Halliday are so brilliant,” he wrote, “whereas your singers like ze Beatles are so – how you say – crappy.”
Robert Shepherd writing from Paris suggested, “The French too have an inferiority complex; not understanding why a small, damp island only 40% as big as France can have a bigger, more dynamic economy, create the global language, beat Paris to the Olympics and eliminate ‘les bleus’ at rugby.” Humphry Clarke from London agreed: “This column is a timely reminder why we spent the majority of the 18th century and a substantial portion of the 19th pounding les bleus into submission with cannon and shot. They evidently failed to learn their lesson.”
For all the hundreds who rallied together in a fit of national pride, there were some who agreed with Hortense. Russell from Bulgaria wrote: “I’m English (expat) and she’s 100% right! Haven’t laughed so much for ages! The book's on my Christmas list!”
Possibly the most succinct response came from Mark in London: “This acidic, tiresome, desperately unamusing diatribe sparked something within me that has lain dormant for some time – patriotism. So for that, thank you Madame de Monplaisir.”
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Why have so many English moved to France if Hortense is so wrong? I agree with Russel from Bulgaria that the article was indeed very humorous. My experiences as a foreign wife in this country echo hers in most respects.
Di, Guildford,
Re the Englishwoman taking exception to "the French habit of flushing the loo once a day".
I would just like to point out that my parents (both German) learnt a little ditty in one of the former English colonies:
"If it's yellow, let it mellow; if it's brown, flush it down."
So it would seem that the French are not the only ones averse to flushing toilets too frequently.
Brown, Luxembourg,
Segolene Royale "looked good in a bikini at 52". How superficial. At half that age she was an assistant to Mitterrand and said throughout her election campaign that he was always her role model. This monster was screaming France for the French (funny, because one third of the nation have grandparents who were not French) when he was a young, lawyer backing the Cagoulards and speaking against immigrants. The future President of France was a collaborator with the Nazis in the Vichy Government (which murdered 30-40,000 mental patients by starvation); covered up for his fellow collabos and murderers, including Paul Touvier who had Jews shot in Lyon and Rene Bousquet who put 4,000 Jewish children in a cycle stadium in Paris who were sent to Auschwitz; gave evidence 5 times to save the collaborators; authorised torture of Algerian prisoners, voted for the guillotine for them, and opposed the abduction of Klaus Barbie from Bolivia.
Bikini? Or straight-jacket?
Peter Kinsley, London
peter kinsley (www.peterkinsley.com, London, England
Well, well what so ever can be writen about the British does not change how wonderful they are!
I have travelled all around the world and my favorite country is still England. I am still in love with the British! .
keep what I say a secret but I truly think that the French have an inferiority complex to the brilliance of English life. Have you ever heard of a French gentleman? LOL!
By the way, I am French from Reunion Island.
Sincerely,
Minouche Vienne, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
Most " smug "expats are actually quite appaled at the idea that some British acerbic humorist could be so devious as to pretend to be one of them, only to be more free to rubbish her own country. More importantly I am really saddened that the Sunday times is playing along with this charade for the second week in a row. What is in it for them , stirring anti French resentment like that ? Mystere et boule de gomme... I will gladly buy the Sunday torygraph next week end;that is unless I am in Verbier; on the ile de Re ,or in the 6th arrondissement visiting Hortense and Cecilia,bien sur.
zezette, London,
Hortense de Monplaisir's armour propre (Review 4 November) appears to know no bounds. Does she seriously think any inhabitant of this country 'wishes we were French', envying her and inimitable twists of her silk scarves? She confuses our respect for her country with our feelings towards its people. We admire the former but find the latter very, er.... French - especially when they so deliciously conform to stereo-type in the way shown by M de M. Her cliched rant says no more than 'I don't like the English because they are not French'. Vive la difference
James Noel, Oxford, UK
As a Brit, with distant French ancestary, a French surname, also resident in Italy, I feel pulled in many directions. However, the examples of British womanhood in the article (Jade Goody?) were pretty laughable.What about Liz Hurley, Helen Mirren, Catherine Zeta Jones, Joan Collins, Liz Taylor? I could go on. And its simply not true there are no fat French birds. Dear old Deneauve is looking somewhat portly, and good luck to her. Why not? All I know is that the French seem universally hated, why would the Brits be jealous? My mild mannered husband refuses to have anything to do with them, won't even go there for a holiday. And as for us buying French property, rushing to live there is simply because you can get a wreck of a chateau for a few quid whereas everything in the UK is expensive.France may have wine and slightly better weather.Otherwise forget it. I've been to Paris recently,regularly travel to London and the latter has edge for me.Give me a laugh with Brit gals any day.
Laura, Torino, Italy
The responses to that post explain to me why the genius film 'Chromophobia' never found a distributor in the UK. The Brits just can't stand anyone pointing out 'problems' within the society, let alone authors, film-makers and the like.
Esther, Bonn, Germany
Ooooh! As the child of a French father and English mother I have revisited this topic often! Having lived in Paris and London, for a young woman London is undoubtedly the land of the free. I'm a guitarist, and the first time I told my French friend that I had left Oxford and gone to electric guitar school, their eyes fixed on a point above my left shoulder and they changed the subject : 'well, it looks like you lost a few kilos, so that's good, huh?'
Which sums up a certain kind of crippling conventionality and need to fit in that I find claustrophobic about that milieu.
Diana, London,
You do seem to have glossed over the point that the book wasn't actually written by a French housewife, but by a British author whom I believe lives in London.
So while everyone is feeling terribly affronted - except smug expats who seize this justification for their bitter exile - remember that this a work of satirical fiction, and British too.
Wonderful publicity for Ms Long, however.
Anthony Charlton, Swindon,
To all the English who think the French are this, the French are that: funny how, when you retire or have enough money, you buy a big house in France! Check out the number of expats along the French Atlantic coast from Britanny to the Bordeaux area. Amnesia seem to be a disease you suffer from a lot. Or is it masochism??
Stef, French and clean!!
Steph, Paris, france
Far from being stylish when older, many french women tend to dress in plain crimplene dresses with severly cropped hair do to boot.
Hortense de Monplaisir's experience of the english in Fulham is no metro oriented. She obviously had no experience of the real England where people don't always commute for hours by train and actualy live above ground.
Robert Skipworth, LEYLAND, Lancashire
Having lived in France practically all my life, at the age of 21 I am insulted when someone refers to me as French. How is that, you may ask? For starters, French people are perhaps the rudest people I have ever met. They also seem permanently depressed, you have to poke them with a stick to get them to show any kind of expression at all on their stone faces. The French unemployment rate is desperately high and the youth are angry at the rest of the world for having slightly brighter perspectives than them. It's no surprise that they are hanging on to their cuisine and their love for luxury to hide the fact that they are not quite keeping up with Britain, both economically and socially. Whenever I proudly announce that I am British, what I see is admiration in their eyes. About immigration - what madame doesn't mention is that there's a deadly concoction just brewing in France. As for shopping, well I can't really sum up the frumpiness of the French. Topshop is surely the answer!
Mary, Madrid,
I've lived and studied in France for many years now, I'm European but not French or English (have lived in London for a year too). I have to say it's happened many times that British citizens have been ill-behaved in my country, and that at the same time the British documentaries and newspaper articles were writing nonsense about my country too, prooving only their own feeling of superiority, ignorance and superficiality (I mean the authors of the articles, not generalising, but 'tis true many British think in the same patterns).
Madame de Monplaisir prooves one thing I well have observed in those elitist circles (rich family, elitist education, richissime marriage) -- these "privileged" -- economically and as far as education is concerned, are, however, very ignorant in their own way. Because they go to best schools and have learnt the finest manners, they believe themselves best. These categories of people believe many others, mainly people from other social classes inferior.
Polana, Paris,
Fantastic ;) havn't laughed so much in ages
Lee, Brighton, Sussex