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The survivors of a group of women who flew Spitfires in non-combat roles during the Second World War are expected to be honoured with a special badge.
The women of the Air Transport Auxiliary may not have taken part in the Battle of Britain but, without their flying skills and courage in delivering the aircraft to the RAF bases for their male counterparts to clear the skies of German bombers, the battle would never have got off the ground.
There are believed to be about 15 of the women pilots left, all in their eighties and nineties. They also flew Hurricanes, Lancasters, Mosquitoes and other wartime aircraft.
Now Gordon Brown has been approached to see whether they could be given formal recognition for the risks they took in ferrying Spitfires and other fighters and bombers from the manufacturers to airbases in Britain and France throughout the war.
Margaret Frost, now 87, who hated heights and was officially too small at just under 5ft 3in to become a Spitfire pilot, spent three years flying the aircraft, and welcomed the suggestion of a badge for her and her colleagues. “But I don’t think any of us is expecting it,” she said.
Nigel Griffiths, Labour MP for Edinburgh South, who has taken up the women’s cause and has already had encouraging responses from the Government, said: “These are forgotten people and they deserve an honour.”
He began campaigning for an honour for the survivors after reading Spitfire Women of World War II, a book by the Times journalist Giles Whittell. He referred to them as “a unique sisterhood of flying addicts who came to England from five continents to ferry combat aircraft for the Air Transport Auxiliary in the war”. They were the only women from among the Western Allies who flew in the war.
Mr Griffiths, whose father flew Mosquito fighter bombers in the war, had a meeting this week with Jim Fitzpatrick, Parliamentary UnderSecretary of State at the Department for Transport, and was given encouraging indications that the Prime Minister backed his campaign.
An honour for the Spitfire women would be in line with the announcement last year that the Land Girls of the Second World War were to receive a special badge.
Miss Frost, who lives in Mid Wales, said: “I was 23 when I joined the ATA. I was 5ft 2¾ when the minimum height requirement was 5ft 4in, but I got through. You had to fly the Spitfires without any radio system, and the only way you knew you could land at an airbase was when someone stood on the runway with a green light rather than a red light.”
She added: “The Spitfire was lovely to fly. I was lucky because the weather was kind to me, but there were others [15] who lost their lives flying in bad weather.”
Miss Frost said: “I always hated heights but it was different being enclosed in the Spitfire. I never flew higher than 2,000ft. I have so many memories of that time, but reminiscing is tiring.”
The most famous female member of the ATA was Amy Johnson, the first woman to fly solo from Britain to Australia in 1930, a journey of 11,000 miles. She joined the ATA in 1940 and was promoted to First Officer. In January 1941, while flying an Airspeed Oxford from Blackpool to RAF Kidlington in Oxfordshire, she was caught in poor weather and eventually the aircraft’s two tanks ran out of fuel.
She clambered out on to the fuselage with her parachute and jumped, but landed in the Thames Estuary and drowned. A rescue attempt was made but her body was never recovered.
Wartime sisterhood
—164 women flew with the Air Transport Auxiliary (ATA)
—In the Second World War the ATA flew 415,000 hours
—It delivered more than 308,000 aircraft of 130 types
—It flew repaired, damaged and new aircraft between factories and active service airfields
—Lord Beaverbrook, wartime Minister of Aircraft Production, said: “They were soldiers fighting in the struggle just as completely as if . . . engaged on the battlefront”
Source: Times database
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Diane Barnato Walker President 135 Sqdrn and one of the Spifire Ladies died just a few days ago (Monday I believe).
RIP - 30 April 2008
Jones, Kingston, UK
My brother, Freddy Rollinson, was a flight engineer with the ATA busy delivering various aircraft throughout the war. Although non-combatants they were vulnerable because they could not defend themselves if attacked. When the ATA was disbanded at the end of the war, he was promptly called up into the RAF to do his National Service! He was an embarrassment because of his greater age and experience compared with the other recruits. Fortunately, after the first week, an understanding medic at Padgate diagnosed a previously unknown gammy leg rendering him quite unfit for National Service and he was invalided out. The leg miraculously recovered. He went to work with a friend, Freddie Laker, and later Rolls Royce at Derby as a technical author. He died in 1991.
Gordon Rollinson, Winchester, U.K.
My Mother, Molly Rose, is now in her 88th year and was one of the ATA pilots. She qualified as a pilot at the tender age of 17, then became a ground engineer at the age of 18, working on Gypsy Majors and joined the war effort shortly afterwards. Her father, David Gregory Marshall, founded the aircraft manufacture and design company Marshall of Cambridge which was developed by her brother, Sir Arthur Marshall, who died recently at the age of 103! My mother regularly gives talks about the ATA and occasionally meets up with other remaining ATA pilots.
Gregory Rose, Stepney, London, UK
My Mother, (who will be 92 years old tomorrow) flew in the ATA and we are all hugely proud of her. I would love to know how to find out more details of the plan to honour these pilots. The local newspaper published a front page story to mark her 90th birthday and on that weekend her home was buzzed by several light aircraft, including a Tiger Moth, all of which waggled their wings in salute. How great is that!
Virginia Dreyer, Nelspruit, South Africa
re SPITFIRE WOMEN. I was one of them and am the only member of ATA left in Australia. Please contact the MP on my behalf or tell me how i can.
Please do give us our validation for this is very important to me. but do it quickly before any more of us die.
If there is to be a ceremony my family will try to get Qantas to fly me over perhaps as a PR exercise . Perhaps you know others that could help.
Ruth Adams nee Russell
Ruth Adams, Adelaide, South Australia
My mother, Pauline Gower, founded and commanded the Women's section of the ATA. I had the honour of meeting several of the women pilots when researching my book âA Harvest of Memoriesâ. Their achievements were both numerous and spectacular, marked with humour and modesty. I believe it to be very important that their crucially significant role is recognised and commemorated.
Michael Fahie, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
My late mother was in the WRNNs during the war, and served on various Fleet Air Arm airf stations as an air mechanic!!
She told me that her happy band of WRNNs and herself frequently used to taxi the aircraft around, and then be taken up to detect engine differences etc to see how well the aircraft was running! If there was an an air raid, they frequently taxied the aircraft they were repairing out of harms way!!
How valiant a job was that!!
Maggie Snook, Wareham, Dorset UK
It is a sorry state of affairs when these wonderful ladies have to wait until their 80's - 90's to receive credit, where credit is due. My Grandmother worked 12 hour shifts building Mosquito bombers all during the war, while raising a family, as Grandad was overseas and never had any recognition from the goverment, just like hundreds of other dedicated women. Three cheers for the Spitfire girls.
G.John Farmer, Bowmanville, Canada
Yes, the efforts made by these wonderful women flyers of the ATA are worth all the acclaim they get for helping the RAF to curb the might of Nazi Germany's Luftwaffe during our finest hour. Peter Brennan, Halmstad, Sweden, former RAF National Serviceman. (Per Adua Ad Astra)
Peter Brennan, Halmstad, Sweden
Can I assume that the award will also be made to the male pilots of the ATA, who served in larger number than their female colleagues?
Incidentally, Amy Johnson wouldn't have "clambered out on to the fuselage" of her Oxford - the door is on the side.
PE, St Albans,
Ineresting that retrospective honours can be considered for women but not for Bomber Command members .
The petition calling for a Bomber Command medal was dismissed last year by Blair.
So nothing to do with bravery but everything to do with PC.
Jon, Dijon, France
I believe there were approximately 1100 female pilots in the US who did similar ferrying duty during the war. 38 of them lost their lives. It is a great shame they have not been properly honored.
Dan, New York, NY USA
It may be interesting for "The Times" readers to know about Soviet (Russian) female fighter-pilots of the WW II:
Lidia Litvak, Ekaterina Budanova, Raisa Belyaeva, Maria Kuznetsova.
Lidia Litvak - before WW-II -a pilot-instructor.
Lidia had a nickname "A White Rose of Stalingrad" - 11 kills + 1 baloon (reconnaissance aerostat). Killed in action 4 August 1943.
Budanova 6 individual kills + 5 group kills. Killed 19 July 1943.
Andrei Vorontsov, Trowbridge, Wiltshire
As a person 5ft 6 tall who had difficulty in leaning to fly twin engined trainers, and therefore failed the course, I find it amazing that at least two of these ladies were under 5ft tall, and still delivered 4 engined bombers with no conversion training. One of them used to visit Shoreham Airport where I worked in the late 1950s. I think it was Joan Hughes
K Wells, Bognor Regis, England
It's taken all this time to honour these women?! Women that flew aircraft and could have easily ended up in the sights of an enemy fighter.
In the Battle of Britain too..
I didn't even know they had done this during the war. It's about time to give the credit due.
Lost in Praha, Prague, Czech Republic
It's about bloody time that those to whom Lord Beaverbrook was referring as "...soldiers fighting in the struggle just as completely as if...engaged in the battlefront" were honoured for their contributions to perpetuation of liberty and the defeat of barbarism and hatred quite a few decades past.
Edward B Woody Ryder, Greenlawn, NY/USA
I was once talking to a man I knew, a Norwegian. I asked hiim if it was true that he was one of the Telemark heroes . He falsely (I later found out) told me he was only a back room boy. He actually took part in the whole operation. His wife was a very middle class English lady with a slight tint to her grey hair ,cashmere twinset and a rope of pearls. I casually said to her " Did you do anything in the war?" With no histrionics at all she said that she had delivered Spitfires and many other marks of aeroplanes to the squadrons throughout the war. I don't know which of the two surprised me most but I was incredibly proud to feel that I knew them
alan burden, mijas pueblo, s
I am the author of 'Spitfire Girls' and am thrilled to learn of this form of recognition. In fact there were 180 women in ATA if one includes the brave group of American girls who flew over from the USA, headed by Jacqui Cochrane.
Carol Gould, London, United Kingdom
I remember the stories of one teacher in school talking about ferrying B-24's to alaska during the war. Dripping wet I don't think she was over 98 lb's and barely tipped the minimum height at 5'. Yea, I'd say it is long over due to honor them. In the Us many belonged to the WACS but it was not considered part of the armed forces and they were denied any sort of service related benifits. To say the least they and thier families deserved a well earned entitlement program just as the men have even if it is a generation too late...
Arlos, aptos, California
Does anyone know if Mrs. Dianna Barnato Walker is still alive? I know she flew with ATA during the war?
Ralph/Satellite Beach, Fla. USA
Ralph E. Kennerknecht, SATELLITE BEACH, , FLORIDA, USA
Two points: isn't it sad that it has taken 60 years for this acknowledgement, and doesn't it seem to happen far too often. Down here, survivors of a multi-fatality naval disaster in the 1960s are still battling safe and comfortable bureaucrats and snivelling politicians for justice: is the system really geared to hold out and wait for most, if not all, to die out ? And let's not forget that Soviet women flew combat missions in WW II, and very successfully too (a reminder which endorses neither the policies nor the actions of the USSR or its then leader).
Leonard Colquhoun, Launceston, Tasmania, Australia
as a female private pilot, this is a belated well-deserved brave recognition.
please announce when and where the ceremony.
thank you.
lyn, santa barbara, ca, usa