Dorothy Rowe
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Is it significant that many of the women who succeed in a man’s world had in their childhood a strong relationship with their father?
Alfred Roberts was highly regarded in his home town of Grantham, but his greatest claim to fame proved to be that he was the father of Margaret Thatcher. Hugh Rodham will be even more famous than Alfred Roberts if his daughter Hillary Rodham Clinton becomes President of the US. Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru was undoubtedly famous in his own right as the first Prime Minister of India, but so was his daughter In-dira Gandhi, the third Prime Minister.
When William Edward Nightingale taught his daughter mathematics he did not expect that Florence would not only turn nursing into a profession but also that she would become a remarkable statistician who, among other achievements, pioneered the visual presentation of statistics that is now so much part of our lives.
It seems that in a close intellectual relationship with her father a girl can get something that she cannot pick up from her mother, particularly if the mother has concentrated her efforts on domesticity and motherhood.
Such relationships between father and daughter are not of the “Daddy’s little girl” variety where the father delights in his daughter’s feminine charms and rewards her for being pretty and sweet. Rather, they are relationships where the father recognises and encourages the girl’s intellectual ability.
From the beginning the father responds to the girl’s interest in the world. He doesn’t direct it towards feminine things while disapproving of her interest in what he sees as masculine things. He doesn’t ignore or punish her for being interested in, say, fairies, but acknowledges that an interest in fairies can be accompanied by an ambition to become a genius in computing.
In a good relationship a father rewards his daughter’s intellectual achievements, but not so that she comes to see winning her father’s approval as her main aim in life. This often happens with men who cannot bear the thought that they will one day be surpassed by their children. They withhold their approval so that their sons and daughters continue to feel like failures.
In my work with depressed clients I encountered many people who felt that their existence depended on the unconditional love and approval given by the dominant parent in the family. When this love and approval was not forthcoming, they blamed themselves.
Not that all children who become locked in a lifelong battle to get their parent to give them unconditional love and approval become depressed. It might be that a child whose dream is to gain unconditional love can become the adult who never quite leaves home, who stays close to the parent, caring for them no matter how unpleasant and demanding the parent might be. The child who believes that the parent’s unconditional approval is essential might become an achiever who always sees another goal ahead that must be attained. Yet, no matter how great each achievement is, none brings the desired parental endorsement.
Some parents mellow with old age and have no difficulty in giving their children the unconditional love and approval that the children desire. However, we should always remember that we each live within our own individual world of meaning. There are parents for whom the ideas “unconditional love” and “unconditional approval” lie so far beyond their worlds of meaning that they could no more show it to their children than Ian Paisley could become a Catholic priest.
Adult children who cannot see that their parent is incapable of giving them what they want can waste their lives trying to get from them something that is unobtainable. It’s very sad to have to give up such a hope, but until they relinquish it they cannot be free and autonomous adults.
What though, of the happier scenario, where a father’s interest in his daughter’s intellectual ability has a profound effect? This effect is found in many women who may not have gone on to become world famous, but who have done well in whatever field they chose to work.
In my family my sister, six years older than me, was close to our mother and I was close to my father. I became an intellectual (“brainy”, as my sister would say scornfully). My sister chose teaching domestic science and being in charge of a home, a husband and children.
My father left school when he was 11 and went to work delivering groceries. He taught himself by reading and seeking out better educated people with whom to converse. His passions were history and politics. My mother didn’t share these passions, and so he talked to me. My mother was interested only in what related directly and immediately to her, and my sister absorbed her way of thinking. I saw how my father’s way of interpreting events differed markedly from my mother’s. I found his interpretations infinitely interesting and my mother’s interpretations infinitely boring. I didn’t realise until much later that my father had given me an understanding of a masculine way of seeing the world.
What I call a masculine way of thinking is not confined to men and does not apply to all men. It is a way of perceiving the world in terms of the essentials and stripping away the decorative and the dross. This way of thinking can be seen in Florence Nightingale’s reports and statistical analyses. The feminine way of thinking, which again does not apply to all women, is made up of myriad observations, thoughts and feelings, with constant interruptions and changes in what is being attended to, often with details to the fore and the wider picture ignored.
Not all women who think in a feminine way are as self-centred as my mother was. Most women are interested in all the people they encounter in their life and through the media, though the wider world doesn’t always catch their attention. The feminine way of thinking grew out of domestic settings in which women had a multitude of overlapping tasks, usually involving people, and where they had little control over their situation.
Many men who think in a masculine way make one major error. This is that, when engaged in interpreting a situation in which people are involved, they disregard how these people interpret their situation. Men who make this mistake fail to understand that what determines our behaviour isn’t what happens to us but how we each interpret what happens to us, and that no two people ever see anything exactly the same way.
Thus a girl may learn from her father how to see the essentials but, if he does not understand that an individual’s perception of a situation is an essential, the girl is likely to be as inept in dealing with people as many men are. On the other hand, if her father shows her how essential it is to understand how other people think, she acquires the great skill of combining clarity of thought with compassion. Another feature of a masculine way of thinking is being able to put aside emotion when it is appropriate to do so. A colleague of Hillary Clinton once remarked: “She can separate personal emotions from the goal and task ahead in a way few women can do.” Many men claim not to feel emotion, but they are lying to themselves to appear strong and manly. Later they are likely to discover that unacknowledged emotions take a mental and physical toll. To put aside our emotions when we know it is appropriate to do so, we need to be aware of our emotions but not let them overwhelm us. To do this we need to understand that emotions are solely about us. They are interpretations that relate to ourselves in terms of whether we feel safe (happy, content, satisfied) or in danger (fear, anger, guilt, hate, envy, etc). Acknowledging our own emotions can help us to perceive and understand what other people feel, but, if we consider that our own emotions are of absolute prime importance we are simply being selfish.
Having a father who appreciates his daughter’s intellectual ability can have its drawbacks. She can see in him the ideal man whose exact copy she forever seeks and fails to find. She can mould herself and her life to suit his wishes and never be herself. In emulating her father she can find herself alienated from other women, despising their femininity. She can spend her life trying to live up to her father’s expectations, or to prove him wrong, and never get the response that she tells herself she must have.
On the other hand, she can simply get from him a way of seeing herself and her world that gives her a larger vision and a greater understanding of the complexities of life. My Dearest Enemy, My Dangerous Friend: Making and Breaking Sibling Bonds by Dorothy Rowe is published by Routledge, £9.99
Famous daughters
Virginia Woolf: Had a very close intellectual relationship with her father, also an author, which highlighted his much colder relationship with her sister, Vanessa.
Edith Wharton: The author was close to her father, George Frederic Jones, who came from a wealthy New York family. It has been implied that she believed rumours that her real father was another man – and that she harboured incestuous desires for Jones.
Hillary Rodham Clinton: Her father was a successful businessman and a staunch Republican. His son described him as “confrontational”. When Hillary got straight As at school her father said that it must have been be an easy school.
Ségolène Royal: The daughter of a former artillery officer who didn’t believe in women’s education. She sued him for refusing to divorce her mother.
Angela Merkel: Her father, Horst Kasner, was a Lutheran pastor who, reserved his love for the priests he trained, claim his biographers, and seemed disappointed by the daughter who went on to became Germany’s first female Chancellor.
Nancy Pelosi: The only girl among five brothers, she has an easy intellectual relationship with her father, Tommy D’Alessandro, who was a congressman and a mayor of Baltimore. She is Speaker of the US House of Representatives.
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It's worth noting that "feminine" thinking can also be extremely foolish, depending on context. Stopping to register a complaint about how rudely one was shoved aside may be disastrous if the shover was reaching for a spear because a saber-toothed tiger was attacking.
In general it is only possible to indulge in "feminine" thinking if one is a member of a powerful society that can minimize the likelihood of saber-toothed tiger attacks. On other occasions it may simply be a synonym for "suicidal".
Regards,
Ric
Ric Locke, Mineral Wells, Texas, USA
as a father of two daughters i consider myself a very lucky man...compassion and a healthy sense of love for my children has been passed on to me by my father, less so my mother...articles like these are curious to me when i initially come across them...sometimes a new perspective can help you to be a better parent...the parallel experience of midlife and parenting has its challenges...you only hope you have done well enough in the end to have raised women who are successful in their own right and can have healthy relationships with themselves, and others...being a 'princess' or 'fairy' is fine for girls - its part of imaginary play as a boy might imagine himself being a sports star or a tractor driver....as for the need to find a 'rich man' to support her, sounds distinctly american to me...
tom thumb, london,
"the girl is likely to be as inept in dealing with people as many men are"
Was I the only to find this statement quite extraordinarily sweeping and insulting? Or am I just being inept in my interpretation?
Tricky, Norwich,
This is not an attack on men but a appreciation of the role men can play on the formation of a girls life.
Mia, London,
You didn't respect your mother much, did you? A prime example of 'despising feminity'?
Jen, London,
Another moron article with far too many paragraphs and far too little to say - and what it says is mostly preposterous... "If, then, so - on the other hand, but but but...". There are a lot of people out there but. Thank goodness for the parents trying to do a good job and God help us all to grow up in this world
Robert, Boston, US
Great article. I have a close relationship with my two daughters, and am always amazed at their intellectual curiousity and interest in the world at large.
I like to think their orientation in this regard is due in no small part to my guidance and love, which is easy to give to two girls who are so intelligent and charming!
Thank you for this article.
Parson Jim, San Diego, California, USA
This article is not written very well, I am not sure I could take a whole book of it. I don't think one can have an adequate conversation about masculine (not male) and feminine (not female) qualities without first explaining that these qualities are socially derived. I found the article lacked structure, purported numerous opinions without apparent grounding in anything other than a personal story, and had its moment of strong bias (unidentified as such) that were quite unsettling.
What about successful women's mothers? I am sure more than a few seek/sought "the fore and wider picture".
arodriguez, Houston, TX, USA
I have never really had a close relationship with my father, either intellectually or as a "daddy's girl." In my early twenties, my family discovered that he had a mental illness, which he had had for years. Growing up, he would sometimes try to relate to me intellectually (and he is a very smart man), but his volatility and his bad relationship with my mother always got in the way. It always felt as if he were "absent" when I was growing up. My relationship with my mother was very contentious and painful as well, although it has since mellowed. But reading an article like this makes me feel as if I'm nowhere in this debate, and what might have been if I'd actually had a decent relationship with my father. On the other hand, though, it does make me feel free to realize I've gotten where I am strictly on my own merits.
Kara, Boston, USA
Who's the Daddy now?
Doug Bates, St. Albans,
Ségolène Royal did not sue her father for refusing to divorce her mother (even in France, children are not given that kind of power). It is alleged that she sued him for refusing to assist her financially while she was studying (a parental obligation under French law).
claire wilson , paris, france
Oh this is bloody ridiculous. I was raised by my mother, a strong and independent woman that managed to work and run a house at the same time. I had a close intellectual relationship with her, went on to university and I am now very successful in my chosen career. You can't generalise like this, there are too many exceptions.
Anna, London, UK
Very apt, and I read the article nodding and smiling as it seemed to recount my relationship with my own father. I am currently expecting a girl, and I find, when shopping for baby clothes, that the proliferation of ultra-feminine clothes, even for infants, bearing the words "Princess" or "Daddy's Princess" to be nauseating. Aren't there enough vapid young women in the world today that we need to make more of them by passing on the message from birth that being pretty and feminine is job number one, and that the ultimate goal is to find a rich man (i.e., a prince) who will take care of them IF she pleases him?
T. Roth, Danbury, Connecticut, USA
This article highlights the positives of daughters having good relationships with their fathers, no matter what you think of the article.
In what way was it an attack on men?
a, London,
I have a very close relationship with my father. It has never required any effort for us to get along, we've always been on the same wave length. Growing up there were times, especially as a teenager, that relations between myself & my mother were fraught & there were many arguments and fights. i used to think she hated or resented me in some way. But once i got into my early 20s i started to see the situation for what it really was & one night after some glasses of wine spoke to my mother who confessed that she had been jealous at times about how close my dad & me had been with our "talks" & similar interests. i was her first born & she felt left out. I felt so sad hearing her say it, & now at 30 i really find my mother a very fascinating and great person to be around, she is such a character and i appreciate her in a way i never thought i could. Each situation is different and it takes time and distance to really see it for what it is. I have been very lucky & am close to both now
Jaly, London,
Extremely short sighted and demeaning to both men AND women!
Men and Women are equal, yet different, and that's OK!
That is what should be emphasized and applauded.
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Karen, Cherry Hill, NJ , USA
I think you are very right in your observations. To give any child, whether daughter or son, the recognition and repsect for intellectual abiity, is only sowing the seeds fot that child's healthy self-esteem. But when you have parents that have proved so "supporting" --in every sense of the word, itis diffuicult not to look for those same qualities when looking for a sentimental partner
Ramesh Mahtani, Tenerife, Spain
This is a silly article. It is one thing to make generalisations, but there needs to be a fact base behind them. The author seems to be dragging an awful lot of causation out of a very small number of data points. This is poor anthropology as well as poor science.
I hope there is more hard data in the book than the article.
By the way, I am a woman. And I asked for more facts, less assertion! Fancy that.
Nospam, Nospamtown,
I would not have survived my childhood without my dad. 3 of my siblings took my mother's side and hardly remember him. My mum deciddedto focus on my brother and the other siblings to the exclusion of me - i ceased to exist. I owe him so much.
carole, london, uk
I find the division between 'brainy' and women who care for their families totally artificial. Instead of looking for the division solely on the paternal influence, the author should look at the way arrangements in society make such division functional. I am a mum of two and also a holder of a PhD in a top university. Teaching 'femininity' to girls is another means of reproducing dominant social arrangements, which are functional for society.
Isabel Roberts, London,
I had 5 brothers and was my father's daughter ,My mother was a wonderful bright and arty modern woman so hardly inept.This is so generalizing an article it makes me irritable.It is like reading pop psychology lesson.
M McGregor, Tunbridge Wells, Kent
Oh my ... another attack on men, hurrah!
Neil, Birmingham,
Can we stop using words like "dangerous" please ! its a daughter and father story not a war story ! it's writers and Journalists who have created this society who now call Footballers hero's what on Earth is England coming to !
lee harrison, london, uk
If a way of thinking is "not confined to men and does not apply to all men," then why do you call it "masculine," Ms. Rowe? I suspect the reason is because most men you have encountered think this way, else your generalization would be arbitrary. Instead, it rings true even on my side of the Atlantic -- sorry, the Pond! You appear to have accurately discerned how we think.
And yet, for my brother poets, painters and lovers, I must tell you that it is not always so. Men often look beyond material essentials to other factors in the quest for identity, purpose and meaning. Further, emotion is no stranger. Take the Iron Duke as an example. The hero of Assaye compassionately provided for the welfare of a late foe's oprhaned son. And the man who would break Napoleon's back on the Brussels road, sending thousands to their bitter ends, cried over the carnage wrought by five years of war in Spain. Should we then say emotions are "soley about us?"
Dorollo Nixon, Jr., New York
Dorollo Nixon, Jr., New York,