Kara
social services departments "get" NOTHING for chiildren placed in care of adopted. Councils PAY OUT in costs to foster families and to get court orders, in staff time and legal fees. Fostering and care orders COST.

But thanks for assuming corruption on *no* evidence...

Rufus, North of London, UK

In my own country I have found that social workers bring their own baggage that envelopes their tunnel vision on the matter at hand. How does the system train professionals, to be professionals and objectively review the facts- obviously there is need for a panel of experts- psychologist, psychiatri

Rosemarie Choo-Shee-Nam Queens Law Teacher, Lawyer, Georgetown, Guyana, South America

Children's Services are reluctant to take children away because it costs money. Bottom line is that SW minimise potential risks and don't do adequate risk ananlysis.

Sarah, London, UK

One needs always to follow the money when determining the validity of official actions. How much does the social services dept get for each child placed into foster care? How much does it get for each child adopted?

kara giosis, okc, usa

if the priministers job was on the line how quick would he act how would he feel if they the social services snatched his or a family members kids what about the next generation our children who are having there identitys stolen being snatched its social services that are the child abusers

tracey, south kirkby, westyorkshire

How strange that this debate has all gone quiet in the wake of the Baby P case!!!!!

J Jones, Midlands, UK

I wonder if while she is visiting the UK Judge Judy might look in on our judicuary and suggest how it may be reformed before any more young lives are spoiled by the incompitance of family law court judges.Judges need to enforce orders so everyone knows they will be adhered to including the mother!

Dave Farmer, Broxbourne, England

Merton SS forced me to sign paper work while i was semiconscious in hospital after having a baby. A year on my baby is up for adoption, I have an excellent support network of really good people, and i just miss and love my baby. I ask for your prayers that my baby will back safely with me his mum

deborah, london, uk

My sons who have been in care and read the care order will tell you the system destroys families for no reason. Abuse is being in care without the parent or parents that puts their interests above all others.

sheila, chichester, west sussex

This is very unusual( Amanda) in fact unheard of as it is nearly always the father who previously was the best thing since sliced bread that is turned into 'Shrek' by the family law courts system. This is to cover their own backs as they have no answers and cannot enforce a judgement on vengfull mum

Dave Farmer, Broxbourne, England

I have also had the misfortune of attending court today fighting ss for my little girl who is 5 this has been an on going battle against them the lies they come out with to make you look the worse parent there could be.

Amanda Clark , Hessle. , England

The trouble is these social workers, Cafcass, CSF or Camhs do not have any answers so they cover their backs with the easiest soultion, and break up a family rather then see how each parent might contrbute even if at seperate addresses.

Dave Farmer, Broxbourne, England

Social Services have a duty to investigate heavily, for months and months on end! It takes an average of 2 years to remove children from birth parents after they are first thought to be 'at risk' - in my eyes this is far to long! So this whole thing is not taken lightly by social services!

J Jones, Dudley, UK

I have had the misfortune of losing my three grandchildren to ss lies,lies told in court by the way.My/our case was heard by "MAGISTRATES" how can they be allowed to decide/hand out what amounts to a "LIFE SENTENCE" ?

Mary Docherty, dartford < kent, England

It is all about propaganda. The most effective way of dealing with this is to immediately accuse the social services departments of being paedophiles and abducting children for their own nefarious reasons. As the 'nonce' brush gets to senior staff you'll soon get your kids back.

Stephen, London, UK

We have lost our grandchildren because of all the lies, which we can prove, the social worker said on paper she has spoken to my mum, my mum has been dead for over 10 years. I was told after the court case, the family court judges always go with the ss

ken, Kent, UK

It seems amazing that a social worker only has to say one sentence or write one line after a single meeting with your children and the whole process over many years & contact order is stopped without BOTH parents being able to make their case and more over without the true gist of the childrens wish

Dave Farmer, Broxbourne, England

We really need to keep pestering our M.Ps, on this as they are the only ones to make change they need to lobby Law Lords and the Justice Minister to consider so many people who are critical those who are not have a vested interest such as law firms and social workers.

Dave Farmer, Broxbourne, England

There's an old saying which is often used in movies ( " we'll give him a fair trial then we'll hang him "). The secret family courts operate under a similar principle to remove children from innocent families.
Chris , Leeds

Chris hardy, Leeds , west Yorkshire

despite a 2 1/2 year battle, I have just been told that my 8 year old daughter is to remain in care PERMENANTLY and I am only going to see her 4hrs/mth as that is 'in her best interest.' I suffer from depression - taking her away just made me worse so justifying their case. no way for me to win.help

Frances O'Connell, Todmorden,

I had to cross examine my EX and the CSF reporter we were all under oath. My questioning revealed lies from both including a question asked by the judge and contraticted by my question but the CSF reporter was not called to account.
Conspiricy corrupt, everything in family law starts with 'C' why?

Dave Farmer, Broxbourne, England

As a lawyer who has acted in both criminal and family cases I have been astonished by the innuendo and consensus based on nebulous probability that passes for evidence in family cases when compared with the rigour of criminal cases. Feeble cross-examination compounds the contrast. Justice loses.

Jack Johnson, London,

some one please tell me why, when our very much loved children, are being saved by social services. a child being abused, beaten, and murdered. is indeed neglected by social workers who often claim they didn`t see any danger..
and then have the nerve to use the mistakes they made in our cases.

Lorraine newhill, Stourport on Severn, England

There needs to be an automatic system of independant review for all cases and a method of raising concerns in each case, again independantly reveiwed, a principle of double checking especially of surposed facts. Having been in CPC's they can be very slapdase and rushed, with no means to raise issues

Paul Randle-Jolliffe, Cowes, UK

The British Judicial system mainly the Sheffield Combined court have destroyed my natural childrens lives and their Education I want to know what the goverment intend to do about this as it is never never ever going away.

Fiona McCormick, Sheffield, England

Social workers have to be held accountable for their actions. If the parent has no recourse, this is wrong. How can the system even learn when it is wrong if it is not forced to admit mistakes?

larry, manchester,

"The element of secrecy is compounded by social-workers and 'health professionals' who inform you that on no account talk.. to anybody." Indeed. Social Services 'warned' my friend for telling her child's teacher about the child's physical needs. Further 'proof' of Fabricated Illness Syndrome.

Isadora, London,

I would urge people to think about hard facts before jumping on their high horses with this 'campaign'! Not all parents who have had their children removed are innocent - although I would bet my last penny that they would all claim innocence!

J Jones, Dudley, UK

What are Social Services trying to do? Discourage "real" Brits from having kids? Obviously, yes. All part of Labour's “destruction of the family” programme. So have you decided which part of the world you're emigrating to, yet?

Andrew Milner, Karuizawa, Japan

Children,Schools&Families(Wreckers) are only able to make reports that fit with court expediancy often inacurate and even lies.This organisation should be disbanded as less children would suffer then with them. Cafcass(Cafarce) also only report what a court wants to here as are appointed by them!

Dave Farmer, Broxbourne, England

I am amazed that this is even a topic of discussion in the UK. I'm amazed at the courage this reporter must have. Even after the Texas debacle we still won't say a word against the almighty (and all-powerful) perfect children services over here. These are stories that needed to be told.

Tonya, Cleveland, USA

I find it a strange paradox that there is a huge thing over detaining people for over 42 days without charge. But people can lose their children for ever like this and there is hardly a whisper. Where is liberty

knight, aberdeen,

Only a distorted logic could claim that with hindsight a child could be saved. As hindsight occurs after an event it is impossible to apply it to the said event. Hindsight has shown systemic and indivudal failings, but does not provide a means of restitution.

Mark Adams, Stafford, England

The element of secrecy is compounded by social-workers and 'health professionals' who inform you that on no account talk about what is going on to anybody. The threats and bullying by them continue with no accountability. Thus, putting fear into the arena. Also, Corin is right in what he wrote.

Jen, London, UK

I feel that the child protection system is very one sided and extremely intimadating, the teams can blow things completly out of proportion and literally bring family to within the brink of break down if not delt with carefully, and it is my experience that the system is too black and white.

David Harrald, Bridgend, Wales

This is a political prejudice against the natural family and the middle-classes. The Marxist training of social workers teaches them that such people are oppressors, including of their own children. The working and under-classes are victims.

Corin Keiler-Lloyd, Wolverhampton,

The peer pressure and intimidation in child protection conferences and court cases to comply with the hypothesis that the children have been abused is immense. Part groupthink, part mass hysteria, part outright intimidation all come into play so that nobody dares to vote against the consensus.

Roy Everett, Ips, UK

Thank you for bringing attention to such an important and emotive issue. The system needs to be transparent and fair. It also needs to be able to reach conclusions efficiently and in an informed way. Please continue to fight for a better way!

Julia, London, England