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Strangely enough, Daniel's wedding day didn't upset me at all. It was his 30th birthday six months later which really got to me, as he stood there with his wife Alison while they greeted the guests. I can honestly say that that was the only time when I felt real envy and wished desperately that it was me standing beside him, arms round each other as we showed the world how much we loved each other.
It's not as if I'm not allowed to love Daniel, but the way we feel about each other isn't something that we can share easily with anyone else. Daniel is my brother, but since I was 14 we've had a sexual relationship - and that's not something that many people would feel comfortable with.
I've only ever spoken about this once before, and even then it was very much in the abstract. While I was still at university a friend had a major misunderstanding with a relatively new boyfriend when one of his friends had reported back to him that he'd seen her hugging and kissing another man in the union bar. She was firstly annoyed at being questioned and became even more exasperated when she explained that the man in question was her brother, as her boyfriend refused to believe her. Their loud discussion took place in the union with an interested audience, until he finally stamped out in fury, still refusing to believe her. As she flounced back to join us she made a remark about preferring her brother to any other man, whereupon one of the crowd said “Yuck, how pervy!” As she sat down beside me she muttered something like “It's not that strange,” and three or four drinks later I quietly asked her what she'd meant.
Fuelled by drink or maybe just rage, she started talking in a very intense but hushed way about how close siblings could be, going on to say that she was sure that many people experimented sexually with them as they grew up and then simply grew out of it. She said it was like practising your social skills on your family and so long as it was mutual, she couldn't see the harm. I didn't say much - partly because I couldn't believe that I'd met someone who seemed to be like me - and she very quickly clammed up and moved over to talk to someone else and never brought up the subject again.
I think the only reason that I'm talking about it now is to emphasise that I truly believe that she was right - it doesn't happen to everyone but it happens to some, and I don't want to be made to feel guilty about it. Incest is so often spoken about in the same breath as abuse, but if you're close in age and equal in relationship terms then it's entirely different. Of course abuse happens, but it can happen in any sexual relationship and there's an expectation that a family member would never hurt you in the way that someone else could. There's no comparison between siblings close in age having sexual feelings and contact and an adult forcing a younger member of the family to do something they neither understand nor want to be involved in. I think incest is traditionally seen as bad, but in some cultures that isn't the case. When I was small I asked a Sunday school teacher if Adam and Eve's children married each other since they were the first people on earth. She just laughed and didn't reply. Having children with Daniel was never an issue and we were always careful about contraception.
All my memories of my relationship with Daniel are good. He's only a year older than me and we've always been close, especially since we always seemed to be full of nonsense compared with our older sister Jane. She's four years older than Daniel and very studious and focused, while he's bursting with fun and light-hearted enthusiasm. I've adored him for as long as I can remember and my parents were always delighted by our closeness when we were small. We shared friends and moved happily in the same social circles, so I could never understand girls who didn't get on with their brothers.
Things changed when I was 14. I had spent hours getting ready for my first Christmas dance when I knocked on Daniel's bedroom door. It's a dodgy age as you're trying to come to terms with your developing body and worry endlessly about how you look, so his wolf whistle was very welcome as he swept me into his arms and we pirouetted, laughing, around the room, before going downstairs to show off our finery to our parents and Jane.
Daniel's appreciation really helped my confidence and I was aware of him smiling approvingly as boy after boy asked me up to dance, though my greatest pleasure was when he claimed me for the last dance. We giggled home to gossip and hot chocolate with our parents and by the next day all the finery was discarded and life was back to normal.
On New Year's Eve Daniel went to a party and by the time he got home I was already asleep. I was extremely sleepy when he crept into my room and curled up on my bed, which was something we'd both done for years, especially if we wanted to share some snippet of gossip. When he started stroking my hair and face it was a surprise, but I could feel myself drifting pleasurably back to sleep as he caressed me gently. Then I became aware of his hand drifting lower and suddenly I was wide awake as he stroked my neck and started sliding his hand down my vest top. I wasn't scared but I was surprised as he started stroking me, though my overriding sensation was one of sheer pleasure. I instinctively lifted my mouth to his as he kissed me and then he hugged me very tightly and left.
I lay in complete confusion with my mind racing and my body totally turned on. All the sex education I'd had said that this was wrong, that it was abuse and incest. But it hadn't felt wrong and I certainly hadn't felt forced. Rather, I felt that Daniel had stopped long before I'd wanted him to. It was hours before I finally fell asleep but I was sure of two things - that I'd really enjoyed it and I still adored my brother.
The next morning it was clear that Daniel had a hangover but as he grinned up at me from his prone position on the couch there was no awkwardness or regret between us. We didn't discuss what had happened, but went for a long walk that afternoon with Jane and the dog and everything felt the same, down to Jane chiding us about being irresponsible about leaving our parents to do all the tidying up after new year's dinner.
Over the next few years we had sexual encounters every six months or so, each time going farther and farther until I was 17, when we had full sex for the first time. We both went out with other people and there was never any jealousy, although I found it hard to be physically intimate with anyone else. Part of that was because sex with Daniel was so amazing that I had no patience for all the fumbling that seemed to happen with other boys. The sex was never pre-planned, but just always seemed to happen when there was no chance of being discovered.
Every so often I would wonder what people would think if they found out, especially our parents, but it always felt so right and was so exciting that these concerns were never enough to stop me. Sometimes he initiated sex and sometimes I did, but in between times our relationship was as easy, relaxed and affectionate as ever, with the incredible passion of each encounter quietly banked away until the next time.
I missed Daniel when he went to university, but went to stay with him every three months or so. Sometimes we would have sex and at other times neither of us seemed interested. By the time he met Alison he was working and I was a student, and I knew that this relationship was different, but it still came as a shock when he told me he wanted to marry her. However, I was more shocked when he said: “You only have to say and I won't marry her, but then I want us to stay together and not see anyone else. We could be the old boring brother and sister who never got married, but ended up sharing a house because no one else would have them! I know this is meant to be wrong but I've never felt anything so right.” This echoed everything that I've thought about our incestuous relationship over the years. After hours of discussion we agreed that it was time to stop the sexual side of our relationship and also decided that telling anyone else was a bad idea, parting in tears afterwards.
I know Daniel loves Alison, but she's very wary of me. I'm pretty sure that she doesn't see me as a sexual threat, but she thinks of me as an emotional rival and I suppose she's right. It's not unusual - there are countless people dealing with all the emotions that result from partners becoming officially family.
I have wondered if there will ever come a time when I'll look back on my relationship with Daniel in disgust, but I don't think so. Everyone has relationships where the sexual element has ended but a great friendship remains, and that's as good a way as any of summing up what's happened with us. Daniel has a unique place in my affections, as I do with him, and that will never change.
As an academic I have a tendency to draw logical conclusions. I like to see a pattern and resolution, so it does pain me that what appears so lovely and natural to me would be regarded as abhorrent by most people. It's not my subject, but I would be really interested to see a study on incest done on these terms, moving it away entirely from the concept of abuse. However, I simply cannot imagine that many people are happy to talk about it and I certainly wouldn't put my family through hell by being the first to go public.
Three months ago I met Derek and I think this is going to be a lasting relationship. The sex is certainly amazing and he's a warm and lovely man, so I have high hopes for this. The trouble with having someone like Daniel in your life is that it leaves you with very high expectations, but it's hard knowing that the one person you love above everything is out of bounds. Perhaps worst of all is the fact that you can't tell anyone, as his or her disgust would ruin everything.
Names have been changed. As told to Joan McFadden
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id like to thank the people telling they re "sad" or not so sad history (personally i feel theyve been blessed). i came from a similar background. after about 15 years of constant self destruction and consequent reasoning for what i was. now i can put the blame not only in bad parenting but also at
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"some may say it does nott matter what society beleives, but unfortunately it does."
There's a difference between social opinion having a practical impact (only a fool would deny that), and social opinion being unquestioningly inline with moral and logical reasoning.
H, UK,
People say something like this is morraly wrong, but to be honest I dont see any evidence for that. Its not rape, or any sort of perversion the law I think is only there to protect younger siblings from being abused. If its mutual and you too truly love each other. Whats the problem?
Vh, Shhhouthend,
'Get some self controle...'
The world is a big place. I believe there many people out there who have self control.
Nature does not allow mistakes. Among animals the sick get killed by the parents or other animals. Humans keep the sick alive with medicine and so they pass on weak genes.
Antonio, holland, holland
although "love" is shared, ths is not acceptable in any society. it is truley sad that they feel this way for eachother, and that parents were not there to supervise and keep this from occuring.
some may say it does nott matter what society beleives, but unfortunately it does.
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I've just read this article.Yes it is such a shame that people are neither taught nor feel the need to control their sexual desires.At 14 & on a drunken night this sexual relationship should never have happened. You know in your heart what is right and wrong. It is a line that should not be crossed.
Steph, UK, UK
Reading the article - I just saw a teenage boy who was not taught or spoke to about how to control his sexual desires and a young girl taken advantage of.The way this happened was disgusting. Sex is meant for a married couple. Get some self control and parents teach your children about self control!
Steph, UK, UK
You're not the only one, i have always fancied my sister, but dont knoe how to confront her about this..
Derrick, Las Vegas, NV
Although it happened to be with her brother, I do not believe it is wrong. You can not control how you feel for someone, regardless of the circumstances, and are only lieing to yourself if you deny your feelings. If it was abuse, my opinion would be completely different but it wasn't.
Katelyn, Clifton Park, United States
I read the article and comments. Every time I read a "con" it was supported by either religious fantasy, DNA mutation (nothing to do with this article), tradition (which is always changing), abuse (there was none), or ignorant attacks. IF U FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT SOMETHING U SHOULD B ABLE TO BACK IT.
Joe, kitsap county,
I get the emotional side to this... but I'd have to agree with other people that there was something lacking in the family structure to seek that sort of relationship with your brother.
Also, if I married a man and then found out he had slept with his sister- OUT THE DOOR INSTANTLY!!!!!!!!!!
Bridget, Sussex, England
For the people who want to know about Adam, Eve, and how we got here... Incest was not wrong until Mosaic Law came around. Until then, you were free to screw your sister/brother if you so chose. If you think incest is disgusting, it's because culture has labled it that way.
Val, St. Louis, U.S.
People are people, they do what they do. Guilt is useless; learning from mistakes is the only worthy path.
Suffering is life; making it less is a worthy aim.
Love involves more things than attraction, affection, and it "feeling" right. Love involves more things than the two involved.
Eamon, Cottage Grove, Wisconsin
ok wow im so sorry that you and your brother can never realy be happy together and ever be anything because i love my sisters boyfriend and we also have sex....alot and i want to leet go but i cant an seeing my sister with him drives me crazy and breaks my heart but 1 day i will move on u can too!
chantelle, espanola, usa
This is a lovely story, and although i myself am not attracted to my brother in the slightest, i think its sad these relationships cannot really mount to anything.
I did sexual things with my cousin when i was about 14, it's healthy for people to experiment and learn this way.
sophie, london, uk
It's sad to think somethings are not allowed and people can't accept the fact people can be different. It's like if you have a dog and you loved it very much and suddenly it died. You can't keep it's body in your room forever, you have to bury it and move on..
Eury, Las Vegas, Nevada
its a nice story.. though i feel sorry that its her brother and they can't be together..
Jas, Phoenix, Arizona
We have all been domesticated since birth, yes just like a pet dog. Most of us are little more than talking heads regurgitating whatever the moral majority has fed to us growing up. Part of enlightenment is escaping the need to have talking heads
validate us & stories like this wouldn't even exist.
Ray, Why, USA
gotta say one is in choice of whom they love and share passion with... although i did not share with my family i did share passion witth my cusion and now looking back i wish i hadnt given i have to see him all the time and i dont think its right... and also the fact he is 5 yrs older dont help...
cat, queensland, australia
think everyone hav their life nd as want they live but ya its a wrong......
satinder singh sandhu, delhi, india
I think that nothing is wrong with them, leave people life their lives as they want.
Paula, Mallorca,
i think its goin on every were, only v r not aware of it..
rj, chennai, india
I'm not religious...in fact quite opposite..and I still think this is wrong.
Nat, Alexandria, USA
Not sure it so normal for brothers and sister to reproduce, simply look at the results!
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WOUId ANY ONE OF U LOOKED AT IT DIFFRENT IF IT WAS A MALE TELLING THE STORY ?
joe, dallas, usa
What many people don't understand from both the religious and scientific stand-point is that we are all are result of natural incest reproduction since the beginning of man & woman kind. Be it Adam and Eve or modern evolution, inter-family incest has brought us to where we today. Its normal.
Alec Zayer, New York, USA
It must be nice to have brothers and sisters. I am an only child and as I get older, I get lonelier. If I was to have sex with my sister It wud be a very debatable cross road. Yes I could love her that way, however what would one do if she became pegnant? Isn't this illegal? WHAT BOUT THE BABY?
JOHN, NYC, USA
I really can not see why incest is absolutely wrong? Making love is good. Rape is bad.
I think minimizing potential harm, and maximizing the good is the trick in life. This whole disgust thing people feel is mainly socially manufactured. Humans can and do have sex for social reasons, get over it.
craig, Nottingham, uk
"I always wondered about adam and eve, their children and the whole story... if there were only two people to start, how did the rest of us get here?"
Simple answer, Anna, is that's a story. Evolution brought us here, and it's also why one shouldn't bang one's brother.
Tabitha Twistleton, London,
"At the age 15 I had such experiment (my sister is 5 years younger).
In contrast to the author, sex lead me and her being away, distant and farther from each other. "
Well Fred, I think you'll find that she was a child and you were old enough to know better so not really the same thing at all.
Tabitha Twistleton, London,
Reading the headline, I felt disgusted. Reading the article led me to see things in different light. Although I don't agree with this type of relationship, the fact that no abuse was involved and both parties were of similar age, gives me, as a reader, peace of mind. Well written article.
Milla, London,
What a wonderful story about two lovers. I had (have) a very similar relation with my sister and it was only society and the legal system that prevented us from marrying. Perhaps someday siblings will be able to choose consensual sex, marry and have children if they so choose.
Martin, Albuquerque, USA
Now that's just disturbing. Sex with your brother is just wrong.
lisa, soquel, usa
In my teens I became interested in mild sex with my sister but she had no interest in sex. Soon the roles were reversed and she became interested in my body but I lost interest in hers and soon left home for work. But I an in my fifties now and fantisize about having sex with her in our teens .
norman brunt, chesterfield, derbyshire
It's science. Animals have a tendancy to be sexually attracted to their siblings. If reared apart, they are attracted to eachother later (genetic reasons). However, being reared together generally desensitizes you to the sexual attraction. It's like having the same boyfriend from birth...boring!
Samma, Columbus, OH
yes."incest is not wrong", love each other, so do it. but never tell others
daniel, hangzhou, china
I take issue with the comments that simply say "incest is wrong". It's quite obvious that this was a positive relationship for both of them and that neither was harmed. It would be bad if she were to become pregnant, but that didn't happen.
@the religious freaks: Adam and Eve were incestuous.
Zac, Chattanooga, U.S
i find this so sad. I'm looking forward to the day I can tell my husband that I saved myself for him, and likewise, I want my husband to have saved himself for me. Sex should be a special thing for married couples, which is the way God intended it.
Meghan, Atlanta, USA
That is kind of strange but i get where your coming from, it was comfortbale and familiar and you felt safe i have thought about sex with my cousin but i havent cause its wierd what if someone finds out I have thought about that because i dont really have any girls who talk to me about sex.
nick, essex, U.K
Very interesting article. I had no idea this sort of thing happened at all. And although I hate to judge, I just have to say: there are things that you do, and things you don't do. The risk of pregnancy (even with contraception) and emotional harm to both of you and your family is too great to risk.
Yumna, Cairo, Egypt
If your over the age of consent than it's no-one's business but yours. Just be careful & safe perhaps you could get a 2 bedroom house somewhere where no-one knows you & live like a normal couple.
Keith Davies, Bristol,
How disgusting.. People that are capable of commiting incestual relationships obviously have different brains/mentality to normal people.How someone could ever find someone in their immediately family sexually attractive is beyond me.Imagine having this sort of relationship with parent+/daughter/son
sophie, essex, uk
Omg. Are you people serious? Incest is wrong whatever way you look at it. In the name of being accepting and non judgemental, morality is virtually an illusion. Your are not doing society an favours by condoning such behaviour.
Thandi Moyo, Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
I personally don't have anything against a brother and sister showing how they feel for each other and if they have sex to show it, so be it. A sexual encounter is the most wonderful way to express that love that they feel for the other. I say have no fear and have no regrets either....
Roscoe, Florence, USA
I almost feel a sting of jealousy reading this article, although I could never see myself being sexually attracted to any of my brothers. If I was, I don't think my conscience would allow me to enjoy it anyway.
Gabrielle, Chicago, USA
I can't believe people's comments have been so unaccepting. Biologically close incest is unwise, but nobody ever bothers to explain why it's morally wrong, or even seems to try. Surely such an accusation is worth a minimum of effort, instead of just a condemnation.
Nathan, Seattle, USA
Obviously not true, but if so they are two very selfish individuals who don't care for their parents or each other - only themselves. Some comments are bizarre. Some people think the only option of early sexual relationships is with a sibling or a stranger... GET OUT MORE
James, Cardiff, Wales
It's such a shame that these two people exchanged the unique enriching non-sexual bond siblings have, for something that seems to have isolated them within their own family.They appear scathing of their older sister, and the parents come across as ghosts.Millions of possible lovers;only one family.
Sonja, Waikanae, New Zealand
George Orwell when commenting on poor families in mining towns in the UK who had to share beds and blankets out of nessesity said the men slept with the men and the woman with the woman for precisley the reason the article states: the risk of incest between family members of the opposite sex.
dom, wellington, new zealand
I totally agree with Katie Shelley. This is a story about two children who didn't have proper guidance, and had absolutely little supervision. Where were the parents at?
Karthik, Cheltenham, UK
This is disgusting and morally wrong. This is the second article I have seen in the last week about sibling incest. Before that I had never heard of anyone writing on the subject. Perhaps this is the next step for cultural Marxists in the slow and agonizing death of sexual mores.
Mr West, usa,
This is not a story about "love". It's a story about two children who clearly had little supervision and did not get the guidance, caring, and parental love that they desperately needed. This type of situation occurs when there is something SERIOUSLY lacking in the family structure.
Katie Shelley, Chicago, USA
I don't know why people have to judge. They didn't hurt anyone, its like saying you want sex with a complete stranger.I know people think its wrong but we all have different views and opinions, why cant we all just get along? Does it matter who we are or what we do? Everyone just has to accept it.
danielle, camberley, england
I can't believe people's comments have been so accepting. Incest is wrong. It doesn't matter if you describe it romantically or dress it up as a fairytale. It's disgusting and morally wrong.
Sarah, Hereford, UK
Hmmm. I can't quite believe that the world has changed so much that someone could say that this is "ok" and we should not judge.
There was a case last year in Australia of a father who got inolved with his own daughter and they have now produced a child is that ok, too?
Lori, Chicgo, USA
I feel very sorry for Alison . . . would she ever have married Daniel if she knew that he was so willing to give her up for his sister (or any other woman for that matter)? If I were her, and I found out, I think I would feel that my marriage was a sham.
Haley Courville, Clearwater, Florida, USA
Growing up, I couldn't bear to be in the same room as my brother and still can't. But taking this story at face value, I found it fascinating, moving and just a little bit sensual.
And, yes, it is a pity that comments on such interesting topics have to be so short. Keep the stories coming though.
Susannah, Sydney, Australia
Very exciting article. But I'm more surprised with that people say it is bad, it is incest. This is normal sexual growing and education. Who helps to learn the basics of sex? Some stranger from a street? The main thing here is to have responsibility and be able to stop this one day
Andrew, Mariupol, Ukraine
I think it's ridiculous that people have compared this to paedophilia. These people haven't harmed anyone. The thought of me have sex with my siblings makes me feel sick, but so does it to think of me having sex with another woman. That doesn't mean I judge other people for doing it.
Catherine, London,
As to the issue of having children with deformitites and other problems, they seem to have been sensible with contraception. Besides, there are other causes of these problems, i.e.having children too late in life, (or too soon) but we can't stop people from having children. People deserve freedom.
Catherine, London,
wow...i find it really scary that so many people are saying things along the line of "well it didn't harm anyone so what's the problem". Society's morals have gone down the tubes if this sort of thing is seen as okay. Love doesn't always have to be sexual...
Steve, munich,
We're sexual beings; it would be surprising if this never happened, "morality" is largely just convention. I wouldn't judge anyone for this - just advise cuation re. genetic dangers and how such relationships are incompatible with our society.
Joe, Manchester,
I think I have high personal morality - I try to be understanding, accepting, considerate. Not judge and persecute others who are different to myself. That would seem to be the opposite of morality. It is obvious incest is not a "normal" behaviour. But in cases like these, where is the problem?
Liam, Wakefield, UK
I am confused by people who say distinguishing ourselves from other animals helps us develop. I think it is precisely BECAUSE we have lost touch with our animal and human natures that we are in such a dire state. Of course, sibling procreation is never advisable. Other animals also have morals too.
Liam, Wakefield, UK
And for those who believe in a God, it's entirely legitimate to seek the direction of that God for how life is best lived, and to encourage others to live life in that way as well, not out of some narcissistic desire to make others like oneself, but from a desire to see people and society flourish.
Tim, Cambridge, USA
I'm glad you're not guilty - it sounded like a perfectly consenting and happy relationship you had with your brother, and anyone who condemns you for it needs to examine their own moral principles.
Kim, Oak Park, USA
obviously there are no concerns of abuse or anything of the sort in this case. However, as a scientist I have to say that inbreeding results in distorted natural selection and eventually children both mentally and physically weak and incompetent. It simply proves the "primitiveness" of the person.
Thanos Didangelos, London,
Now I would draw the line at incestuous reproduction with inbreeding depression issues and all. But if it's two young siblings that are that affectionate with one another, hell, I think it's sweet. Not that I would sleep with my sister, but I wish she and I were closer!
Michael, Portland, USA
I can't see what all the fuss is about. They are a pair of mutually consenting people of a similar age. Its hardly abuse is it? I also don't think the 'natural' argument holds any merit. Humans do have sex for no reason other than pure pleasure from time to time....
D, Staffs, UK
I wouldn't do it personally but I don't think it's wrong at all. I wouldn't consider it abuse at all as both of them were completely agreed and content with the situation...they're both happy and now both have healthy relationships with other people...they loved each other. Whats so wrong with that?
Katy, Barcelona, Spain
I dont think this is that bad because when we are young we dont really understand our sexual desires and tendencies at a young age we have sex with siblings just becomes normal. It's the sexual experimental stage and some people just dont get past it and stop and they develop strong emotional ties.
Karina, Toronto, Ontario
WTH are people quoting the bible for? Those who condemn this on the say-so of it are living a holier than thou life??? We have MODERN SOCIETY and LAWS to guide us these days...Sheesh!
It is WRONG! Both people in this story are damaged for life. NOTHING good came of this.
Progression my eye!
Sara, Chicago, USA
The more I read these positive comments on incest, I find myself angry. How can people justify this behavior? I just don't get it at all. Nothing good came out of their sexual relationship. Her original feelings of confusion were right on.She should have listened to herself then & not done more!!!!
Ancilee, Lincoln, USA
I think it is sad because they are crossing lines that should never be touched. A sibling relationship is supposed to be about that, a "sibling", not a "lover"!!! Don't these people understand simple social relationships and why we have them? It's about learning & respect for others, for yourself!!!
Ancilee, Lincoln, USA
Ultimately it's no different to what instinctively happens now and then in nature. I wouldn't go as far as condoning incest, but certainly, when you forget about life's basic "rights and wrongs", incest being one of them, this saga doesn't seem wrong.. slightly taboo maybe. but not wrong.
James Fletcher, Matlock, Derbyshire
there is a fine line between love that you feel towards a partner and love that you feel towards a sibling and you were on the wrong side of that line. i am absolutely disgusted by it all!!!
bailey, liverpool,
Nice and touching story.
I find the comments most amusing, most of these people are preaching what their parents have told them. Which is why you will find subjects like these get so many comments. Where as other news get fewer comments, Maybe their parents have not told them their opinion yet?
phill, nottinghamshire,
I don't think It was abuse, though I do think it was rong for him to start something while he was drunk. Also I bealive the narrator was in the rong. She and her brother should have been together. Maybe he misses her too. they could have been happy together,
Jezebel Sancheze, Salem, United states
God help us! Another fine example of the establishment attempting to normalize that which is and always has been inherently wrong.
What is the matter with society when it feels that crossing "thresholds" is always a positive thing.Moral decline brings down civilisations quicker than any army.
Salim, Birmingham, UK
Incest is unnatural. It isn't supposed to happen, and something obviously happened when they were younger that voided the Westermarck effect. However, I believe that just because it is unnatural doesn't mean it is in any way wrong. As long as it isn't hurting anybody, than whose business it is?
Mike, Toronto, Canada
Didn't I read this in "Penthouse Forum"?
Scott, Miami, USA
The reason for your increased comfort with your brother is because you practically have the same genes. Through forces of the universe we just don't understand, a sibling would always have a feeling of 'affection' toward another. Incest is wrong. No matter how you put it. Sorry.
Nick, London,
People get over yourselves!
Do what you will and harm none!
Not my place to judge you.
Bill, Truro, Canada
I didn't have time to read all the comments, but, I don't feel the woman underwent abuse at all - if, for instance, they were separated at birth (to take an extreme example), then met and engaged in willing sexual activities - without knowing they were siblings - would that be abuse? Not at all!
Cycy, Sydney, Australia
I think as long as both siblings are willing and aware of what they are doing, it should be 'okay'. Not saying incest should be legalized, and not saying that I think it's 'morally' right either, but as long as nobody was coerced into anything, it's okay. Don't think they could get married though.
Jana, Somerset,
Wow.. I wish you were my sister. I've secretly been wanting to make love to my sister for over 25 years now and would of been very happy if she was like you.
Franck, Amsterdam, nederlands
While I personally would NOT have sex with my brother(or sister)I fully understand this woman's point of view. No children were produced as there should never be from incest. But in this case, take the negative label OFF and just let it be. They harmed no one!
Char, Pittsburgh, USA
I was initially disgusted and intrigued when i first started reading the article, but by the time i'd finished i felt a little less prejudice about the idea. I would never promote incest but its clear that this relationship between the siblings is not abuse and actually involves a lot of love
Bec, London,
I am amazed at the 600+ comments. I have no strong moral objection although I would be concerned if it were my 2 children. However I do have a friend who was seriously and lastingly harmed by a slightly older brother coercing her into a sexual relationship. Probably best not to legalise incest.
Erika Salzeck, Carcassonne, France
What this girl underwent was abuse. Whether or not it felt like abuse is not the point. An essential boundary was violated. Sex as an exchange comes from an earned intimacy. She was sexually stunted in her adolescence and now has the pain of feeling jealous of her own brother.
Lily , Los Angeles,
this is a very touching story. i believe that as long as the feeling is mutual and there is no possibility of having children, that people should be allowed to live as they wish.
Lauren, Motherwell,
I'm shocked at the baseless arguments that some people have put forward in protest to the idea.
It's glaringly obvious from the article that no harm was caused, so what's the problem? It doesn't mean I'm going to go off and have sex with my sister now, just because someone else has!
Just, think.
Sean, London, England
I just want to say that when people are saying stuff about taboos and society hammering into us that incest is wrong - it is not just humans that think this, it is seen in the animal kingdom that family members do not mate. This is due to genes being way too close leading to problems with young.
Amy, Livingston, Scotland
This was a very touching story. As you said, if age is similar and consent is given, where's the wrong in that? I hate how people have prejudices against this. I commend you for your courage and for telling us this story. Maybe some people will change their opinions on incest if they read this story
Rob, Orlando, USA
I was surprised to find this story touching and humane. It reminds me not to cast judgment on people. Clearly, what these two shared was something deep, tender and beautiful, something "normal" couples strive for and rarely obtain. Who am I to say it was wrong? Thank you for your courage.
Etienne, Chicago, USA
This is an extremely touchy subject. For some people, incest in any form, at any time, regardless of consent and age, will always be wrong. However, as in all things, there are shades of gray even when it comes to incest. While rare, benign cases such as this do happen from time to time.
Ian, Kansas City, Missouri, United States
Why feel bad for something that is over where noone was hurt? Sounds like the best thing would be to move on to lives with other people. Nobody is normal.
Casbah Basmati, Guanajuato, Mexico
This article is beautiful and my props to the woman who had the courage to write it. I have felt the same way about incest for a long time, though never having gone through an incestuous relationship myself. It can be abuse, but by no means is it abuse in every instance. Thank you for this!
Anthony, Brisbane, Australia
i truly belive that this is not right it shoud not be jusified no matter what the circumstances sleepin with your own borther is unlawful and worng yes you may have spent ages thinkin it was okay but deep dwon you no its rong.
louise, brimingham, england
I truely think that this person has spent many hours, days, weeks, months and years, making herself believe that this was ok so she wouldn't have to feel the real feelings. And, if she really believes this, there has to be something wrong with her mentally.
Danielle, Monson, usa
I don't think so that it is reasonable... you can not justify such a relationship in any society and in any religion.
Nasir Baig, Lahore, Pakistan
Two very silly deluded people, how would their parents feel if they had found out.
David Booth, Dunfermline, Scotland
If 'consent' seems to be the issue here, ie that because she was consenting it was fine, would people also be as blessing if it was her father she discovered her sexuality with? If they also had a 'true love' ? I'm sure that also goes on in the world...
Deborah , Shanghai, China
I understand the needed desire within two siblings, i dont find it at all disturbing, found myself extremely aroused. I dont have a brother sibling to explore with. However, my male cousins and close friends off our family, we shared that an intimate bond of trust and too this day its really sacred.
Caroline, Round Hill, Virginia, USA
i think that loving your sibling to an extreme level is acceptable, but having sexual relations with them is a step too far and slightly wierds me out.
benny, Nottingham, uk
A very sade & seriously deluded situation.
Where do you draw the line? Your: Mother, Grandmother ?
Father, Grandfather?
A sad reflection on society today.
Love has very little to do with it - more akin to lust, me thinks
Sad - folks in situations like this need help
hlen, london,
I must admit that I was also having sex with my 2nd degree cousin but not like brother and sister do.
Mecmec, Cagayan, Philippines
I am really feeling weird after reading this. I have a sister .. and i couldn't even imagine having sex with her for a second. It's not really usual for me. But I know it's natural for sex to be unusual. What is unusual for you, might be usual for me. For instance, I have a fetish for feet! :)
Sundip, New Delhi, India
There is a lot here that does not ring true, I do not believe for 1 moment that it has not had a lasting psychological impact on you both. You are naive if you think it shall not affect & has not affected all your relationships. There was nothing responsible in this relationship...
Siobhán, Cork, Ireland
saying that they are responsible is akin to calling rapists who use condoms responsible...using contrception does not make it good...just because this has occured previously in society does not make it just. This girl was seduced by a predator & introduced to a world she believes is love.
Siobhán, Cork, Ireland
A different experience which lots of people never try,but i dont think it was wrong ,it was just unusual.
cilga, antalya, turkey
Prohibitive rules and cultural taboos should be there to protect the vulnerable from abusive exploitation. So, in a case like this, they should not apply.
Steve, Sturminster Newton, UK
No harm done in this case but I'm sure there have been many that have never recovered from such behaviour.
Ben, Brisbane, Australia
I don't think it was wrong and it's extremely nice to see finally someone talking about this without saying that it's wrong and stuff. Sincerely I think that it was right for both of you. For me incest isn't a problem as long as there's no violence or one got forced.Herewhat happened is just perfect
Edoardo, Milano, Italy
Key is CONSENT. Susan Atkins, Manson Family, brother forced himself on her, destroyed selfesteem, gave herself to any man inc Charlie. So insecure, always trying to please, obeying all instructions of men, a sex object and murderess. It began with her brother. Not love, she felt used, worthless.
Fiona, hong Kong,
Well, if my wife had a brother with whom she was very close, I would now be wondering if she'd slept with him. I'd also be wondering if she valued me as much as she valued him. Fortunately she doesn't, but well done to the author for adding a whole extra level of insecurity to many relationships.
Tim, Edinburgh,
Some of the most exciting sexual encounters Ive had were with my sister. Growing up together and exploring each others bodies as they developed was out of this world. Touching,caressing,sensual,orgasmic. It happens more than most of you realize and some of you thought about it but never did it...
marcus, bath,
Well, im 15, I dont think its wrong, i dont have a brother. At the end of the day there a boy and a girl, who's fallen in love, whats the problem with that? Forget about any relation they have. As she said, none of the sex was planned. Why stop two people who love each other from been together?
Abi, wakefield, uk
Not shocked at all. It happened with myself and my older sister,although we never had full sex,we were teenagers when we had our first encounter and experimented sexually together in lots of ways. It was fun and exciting,maybe even more so because it was supposedly wrong.Lots more like us out there.
Marcus, Bath, uk
maybe this is wrong in the eyes of the world, but who am i to judge. if you are comfortable with the love between you and your brother and so does he then i think that is all that matters. i applaud you for openly admitting this and not feeling shame.
joy, Portland,
Well everything else appears to be acceptable these days, why not something as sickening as this !
slade wallis, colchester, uk
This is revoulting. i find myself physically sick. very sick.
im sorry
Jade, derry, londonderry
The only thing that separates us from animals, is morality. Morality is important as it helps us grow and view the world in a sane and practcle way. Without morals we are reduced to a base level. You only have to look at Britain socially today. It is in complete collapse.
Andrew Balmbra, Newcastle On Tyne, England
I dont see my sister in much a different light than my mum, I love my mum but this turns me.
P, Belfast, Ireland
It's really nice to see that so many people are open minded enough to see past the social training we have all been raised with. That they are able to see that this story is really about two consenting adults, who fell in love but could not be together because of the general ignorance of society.
James , Carlisle, England
The beautiful thing about family, and good friends, is that sex is not a component of the relationship. This writer is disingenuous. On one hand saying sex changed nothing, and then on the other whining about emotional loss. If they hadn't had sex, their relationship would be still be perfect!
Kante, San Francisco, U.S.A.
Wow. This is very interesting. Personally, I will never taboo in such a way. But this article is very touching, and I'm glad to read this article, it really opened up many people's mind. Your relationship is understandable.
Za Roar, Sheboygan, USA
I totally agree. No babies, no problem.
Jim, pittsburgh, usa
From what I understand this has a genetic connotation which is why the attraction is so strong and explains the statement from so many, who have been involved in such love, that it feels so right!!!
jenny, London, UK
I cannot believe the timing of your article and thankyou so much for opening up such a difficult and taboo subject. I too think it something worthy of much more research and much more common than many people imagine. I relate with much of what you have said. Thankyou again.
Margaret, West Coast, New Zealand
Congratulations to the writer for sharing her story - and to The Times for their courage in tackling this taboo subject.
Definitely time for this subject to be opened up.
The comments here are so interesting and show we're not all as narrow minded as I thought we were.
Bravo!
IndiaGirl, Cardiff, Cardiff
I think it is beautiful and tragic and you are lucky to have experienced such a love.
Sebastian, San Francisco, USA
i actually find a lot of this i find the same as my own experiences...
i love him a lot...but we did decide to end it...as did u...
i enjoyed reading this.
sammi, calgary,
Looks like the relationship just happened. It's an individual experience that shouldn't be regarded as a norm. Discussing whether it's OK or not is a moot point. It's just a reality that some people go through and this article says confirms it. I hope we just leave the story as is.
Ocarina, Pasadena, USA
It is wrong because God says it is wrong. And that should suffice.
Alejandro, Houston, USA
Oh my goodness! Thank you so much for writing this! I always thought my brother and I were the only brother & sister who'd experimented in this way. I've felt so guilty for years! Thank you!!!
Name Withheld, Helsinki,
I think love is hard is to find and experience anytime, so having this way ,is being safe and consentual and learning about each otherbodies and mind even tho society says it wrong. How can any body say whats right. I t wasn't abuse as they were both of age,used contraception and learned in school.
karen, shropshire,
There is no right and wrong, there is only what we perceive to be right and wrong. However I personally beleive we have no right to force our beleifs onto others. Everything and everyone has it's reasoning even if we don't what they are.
Patrik, New York, USA
You don't get to choose who you fall for
Trish, London,
Out of all the people in the world to have relationships with this woman chooses her brother!
alexa, doncaster, uk
Jess, Ashford - if you'd actually bothered to read the article, you would have seen that they didn't have sex until she was 17. You would also have noted that Daniel is one year older than her, and when they first kissed when she was 14, he would've been 15.
Laura, Cheltenham,
It's hard to break the taboo but I believe it's the same taboo that was hard to break when homosexuality started coming out.
With time this will be accepted as well. It's a beautiful story, and you're last line...you said...
It's not hard,...I think that's not true.. it's the hardest thing..
Me, Ottawa, Canada
Incest is illegal because of a probable pregnancy resulting in deformed children. Incest where an uncle or father forces himself and says not to tell anybody is wrong and disgusting. The love you two had wouldn't be called incest. You used protection to keep that from happening. I believe it was ok.
Dale, De Witt, Arkansas
well, i also felt comfortable while reading this piece. in fact, the author does convince me that they(the siblings) were really in love... and what they did were always pleasant and considerate to others... very lovely couples indeed. they never harm anyone else and they stopped when appropriate.
Chloe Wong, Hong Kong,
Incest is wrong. End of discussion
David, Durham,
"As a christian i cannot agree with this" umm...the
Bible is filled with stories of incest that are not negative...If the Bible is true then none of us would be here without incest in two major points of Biblical history.
C.A., Beech Grove, IN, US
Well done she probally feels better now that she has put it down in writing. I wonder how she felt when writing it. I can relate to the way things developed. Love between siblings certainly exists and this was their way of expressing it. Also, brother sister sex is the most common form of incest.
John, belfast,
How would the parents commenting on here feel if it was their teenage son and daughter?
candice, colchester, uk
Something very important about the idea of 'brotherly love' (in its conventional sense) and something precious about family relationships precisely cos they don't have the element of sex in them. Can't condemn the author as an innocent girl but surely incest isn't a wise idea for society as a whole?
Susie, Bangor,
Up until 1973 homosexuality was regarded as a mental illness, but now it is widely accepted by society. Might incest go along the same lines?
Jane, Durham,
I'm sorry but, incest aside, the girl was 14. It is unclear how old the boy was but if he was over 16 then it is stautory rape. The consentual sex age law is there for a reason. 14 year olds are too young and too emotionally immature to deal with the emotional implications of sex.
Jess, Ashford,
The article is so interesting because it raises a taboo that society fails or downright refuses to deal with. Incest is wrong and painful and it does exist. I think this is the last great taboo and if the government and media tackled it responsibly in the long term it would be a major breakthrough
Glen, liverpool, UK
Incest causes harm and damage to the people involved in the long term. This article is indugent, 2 dimensional and is a giant plea for approval for wht they did. I would guess at some dysfunction in the family, whom this girl clearly loves, but is desperately trying to justify this behaviour.
Gwin, Mold, Wales
Inbreeding is used by breeders of plants & domestic animals to fix desirable genetic traits . I wonder how many people expressing their revulsion, own a pedigree dog?
It may be worth remembering that forms of inbreeding amongst humans of high stock i.e. Royalty have been prevalent for centuries :)
Neil, Rayleigh, England
i think it is perfectly okay as long as they love each other and it wasn't abuse.
however i would never do it due to me being christian but if other people want to it is their choice as it your choice weither you think it is right or wrong.
aliea, cheltenham,
Dude really this would not have happened if your brother did not come home tanked. Besides this is wrong in anyway you look at it rather it be political or religious
Terrence, NJ, USA
If they had ended up together and had children they would have had to buy less Christmas presents.
Tim, London,
The comments are more interesting than the article.
The thing that struck me most was the (in)frequency - once every six months !!!
The fires of passion must really have been out of control !
They obviously werent that keen on the sex otherwise theyd have been at it every chance they got.
Odd.
JCCresswell, Matlock, England
I can relate.... Thanks for your honesty and openness.
Barbara, San Antonio, USA
Where there is love,it cannot be wrong.These people do not have to justify themselves 2 any1. Life is short & guilt should not be so,it is non productive.Well done for this sincere article!!& best wishes for the future both of you.U may reunite in the future,ur choice & no 1 elses business!
Lynne , Forest of Dean,GLOS, u.k
I am an only child and can't really relate to this..but it feels pretty euch to me....
My skin is crawling!
anne, aberdeen, scotland
First of all, it isn't only our society that deems this wrong; nature does too (its called inbreeding).
Secondly, i hope nobody gets any ideas about trying this because generally these things end in tears (with your story seemingly an exception so far).
As a christian i cannot agree with this.
Johnny, Coventry, UK
In the eyes of our so called modern civilised ways we say this is wrong.
In many cultures for thousands of years this has been the norm and yes even by cultures who were so much more technically advanced than us so really is it wrong?
Tim, East kilbride, Scotland
Modern religions tell us having sex with your family is wrong, these are the same religions that state it is fine to kill innocents when it suits them, the same religions that feed off the weak to fill their bellies, you havent hurt anyone, but people will hate what they fear or find different
Tim, East kilbride, Scotland
I am suprised how many people think this is ok. I fear they are swayed by the way it is written. If the author was bluntly telling her story on a talk show there would be uproar. Just because she is telling it in a well written academic 'article' and she is telling us it is ok DOES NOT MAKE IT SO!
Elinor, Glasgow, UK
Your first instinct that night when he came into your room when you were 14 was right. We should listen to that voice of authority in our minds, it serves as a powerful warning.... Its your mind telling you its WRONG!
Natalie, sydney,
Some animals eat their children. how wrong is that? Imagine we wouldn't be as smart as we are and didnt have a culture and everything...what do you think we would do? I personally could never have sex with my brother. But i respect every person and its ok as long as its no harm to others.
Jasmin, Hamburg, Germany
The people I feel the sorriest for are the sheep who say "it's morally wrong, it's disgusting, etc." What is really disgusting is that you base your opinion on what you have heard and experienced from society! Not because you have experienced a similar situation but because you were TOLD it's wrong
Kathleen, Tucson, USA
What is wrong with you people? This is the kind of filth that tears society apart. So now we're going to have a "liberal" attitude towards incest? Yes, people have a natural affinity to siblings and family members, but for it to turn into something sexual is wrong and disgusting!
Freddy, London, UK
I give you and your brother a lot of credit. Not for having had an incestuous relationship, but for coming through a situation fraught with psycho-mental-emotional issues and trauma relatively unscathed and wiser for the experience.You lived, loved, you let go. Well done.
robert, New York, USA
gross.
bianca, Los Angeles, usa
a brother and sister seperated at birth and meet later on in life.. still having no idear they are related and have sex is that still morally wrong?
Daniel , Worthing, England
A very moving story indeed. Morality, moral boundaries and such are defined by society and it shuns those who do not conform. As human beings, we are all perfectly entitled to what we believe, incest or otherwise, as long as it does not cause anybody any harm.
Jason, London, England
huh? this writer was basically a victim of sexual abuse! i don't care how beautifully written this story is, what happened between her and her brother is morally wrong!
Pauline , Bedford, UK
I wouldn't state I am disgusted however cannot find the words to express. I think this is very sad that a brother and sister would have sex together as it is wrong. Her attitude in this story is like "no big deal." It is a big deal it is perverted and far from "beautiful."
Karen , Palm Desert,
it takes allot of guts to talk about that situation even though the names where changed. im not discusted at all
jess , USA,
You may be disgusted by this but their love is real. I dont have these feelings for anyone in my family and have never experienced this but I had a close friend who had this too with her brother. We dont always pick who we love and our loved by. Don't judge another because you dont agree with them
Angela, USA,
Thanks to the author for exposing the next great perversion that will be forced on all of us in order to destroy families. This behaviour is not normal and should not be presented as such. I just hope this article does not give teenagers any ideas. Only perverts could think this is "beautiful."
Jared, Miami, USA
I had to read this article twice to realize what I just read. I just can not believe the entirity of this story, in mind it is humanly impossible. If, for any reason, the story is not a made up one and bears any truth, then this is anything beyond my scope of understanding human nature.
DATY, Los Angeles, USA
I'm only 15 years old and you are sick in the minded if you think this is right in any way. so why do you people fine this right?
SamuraiX, Epping, The United States of America
I cannot understand why anyone, other than a religious fanatic, would think that sexual relations between consenting adults was the business of the State. Possible offspring are a red herring, as they are also preventable. I hope to see a Human Rights victory on this at Strasbourg. Live & let love.
Michael, Manchester,
This writer calls this love but it does not change the fact that it is incest. In the animal kingdom it is called inbreeding - with good reason. There should NEVER be a progressive attitude towards this - next thing they'll be saying that paedophilia is ok if the child wasn't conciously forced.
Deirdre, Cork, Ireland
The way it happened seems quite natural. You both love each other very much. There was no abuse. There was no wrong doing of any kind. You were intimate with him because you love him very much and he loved you very much.. After both of you grew up, you developed healthy relationships with others.
Ted M. Garza, los angeles, USA
Love and affection is love and affection, wherever it comes from.
The Secret History by Donna Tartt has a good, but un-nerving description of this kind of relationship.
Ali, Guildford,
I have an older brother and a younger brother, i get on better with my older brother because some of his friends would be my friends, but i still fight with both of them so i find this really uncomfortable. euuggh.
Suzanne, Belfast, Ireland
i think that if you really loved him you would have let him go just like you did,I dont find it nasty that you did that becouse you loved him just more then other ppl do to there brothers
but if that relationship didnt happent you would have not found your boyfriend now.And i cant comment more bye
Zaneta Piet, UK, England
I'm 16 and personally don't see why this is considered so 'wrong' -surely finding love is one of the most important things in life? Who makes these universal rules anyway? You only live once, and why waste your life regretting the things you DON'T do that make you happy?
C, wales, uk
I have to admit that the thought makes me uncomfortable; I have a younger brother and would never think of letting our relationship become that intimate. However, I won't judge this person for what happened between her and her brother. It was mutual, it was natural, and good memories remained.
Nicole, Seattle, USA
Moreover, I'm trying to figure out why other people were saying she had guilt over the incest? She never said there was guilt but marveled that there was none.
Nicole, Seattle, USA
You found love. You harmed no one. Bless you both. I'm amused by those who claim to know Daniel's "pervert" motives and know the "true" effects on his sister. None of that is explicit or implicit. You're the tediously religious scrabbling for anything that will fuel/justify your prejudices. Grow up.
Neil Hardie, Aberdeen, United Kingdom
Ah, you people. Stop being such ridiculously sheltered prudes. These things happen. I knew a boy in my teen years who had a similar relationship with his older sister, not too far from his age, just a year or two. It was as natural as the author describes, and no harm came. What else matters?
Z, Oklahoma City, USA
It's the parents I feel sorry for!
Albert, Manchester, England
To have that close of a relationship with a brother or sister is something to envy and a beautiful thing but to actually engage in intercourse is flirting with a dangerous situation. The possible results would be unfair to any child conceived or aborted. It is best they keep this part to themselves.
John Hubbard, Singapore,
An honest appraisal of a difficult topic, and for that reason all the more valuable to consider. The relationship was natural and developed as part of a whole coming of age transformation for the individuals involved. I'd like to read Daniel's recollections as well. Incest such as this is common.
Howard, Oregon, USA
I do hope no teenager reads this and decides to experiment - it's illegal, as far as I know (the Sexual Offences Act 2003 sections 64 and 65).
Craig Preston, London,
Even though she doesn't feel guilty and has nothing but good memories...I will never see incest as something healthy or in that matter, right.
Lee, Toronto, Canada
i think it is wrong they have grown up together as brother and sister. i know a couple who are together who are half brothe n sister they were not brought up together ad did not know eachother one day they met fell in love then found out they were brother n sister. every1 has there own choice.
kelly, bristol, uk
Thanks! Your story took a hell of a lot of courage--vividly shown by the extreme negative reactions of some of the people leaving comments.
I feel your story shows how variegated sexuality is--and how even taboo sexuality can be positive, depending on the experiences of the participants involved
Scott, Seattle, USA
Interesting how so many of the opposition comes from the States, and so much of the understanding comes from Europe..the beginning of yet more differences on contentious issues? I deeply respect the author for her bravery.
Mari, London, London
Of course you wanted to give yourself to him. he's your big brother and you love him dearly. so one night he comes in drunk touching you, you become confused, and then your mind instantly wants to justify what he did.
hannah, bakersfield, usa
The writer has 'A progressive attitude towards incest' ? next it will be a progressive attitude towards bestiality!! Please, its wrong no matter how nicely she writes about it. I am trukly shocked how many peoples have commented that its ok, what a nation of sick people you really are. Truly wrong
Grace, London,
There is a reason we have a taboo against incest. Because even the most careful of safe sex practisioners can have mistakes, and in the case of siblings you could end up with a baby with birth defects, and a family crisis on your hands. Its best to avoid incest.
melissa, lithonia, usa
I personally think that it's ok as long as two persons are happy.
Sometime I think what is bad in getting pleasure if this is not
Doing bad to anybody. Since long we people have nutured the
Thought that sex is bad it should be hided. I don't know why.
Adam and eve we all know.
ajay dutta, london, united kingdom
This relationship was not healthy if it was there would be no guilt..her brother wouldn't be questioning the love of his fiance and leaving it in her sisters hands...oh there may not be any consequences now but they are soon to follow....
Tawny, Bristol,
I know for sure it was OK. You did nothing wrong . God and the world bless you for having the nerve to say it and having freedom in your heart and soul.
johntop26, leiden, holland
I wrote a lot of detail earlier . But lost it in pop up blocker.
Still your story was wonderful. I had similar (no sex) when me and sister were pre pub. And I also wished ( and I think she too) we had nerve to keep it on later but to our regret . we didn't.
I'm 50 now but always wonder what if?
johntop26, leyden,
I have nothing but respect for you.
J, London, UK
i think this is a porn story as its narrats. anyway we can't accept it b'se if we accept it,it will be a promotion and the next generation will more relaxed and they will even think that sex with mother is not a problem. then v will just like an animal. diff between animal and man is v got culture
cinto, liverpool,
Your brother took advantage of you when you were 14 -- a child. It seemed like you were in a loving relationship, but you were not. Daniel had sex with someone secretly with no responsibilities. I'm quite sure his wife would like to know about this. Is Daniel going to encurage this for his kids?
Rosa, NYC, USA
I can totally see a brother/sister relationship in that way ending up being a healthy situation. I dont suggest we judge this one. Society has deemed this adnormal, as with so many things. You alone decide what is acceptable and what is not.
kay, Camas, USA
If it isn't wrong, why does she feel so much guilt? Weird story, but there may be more to the story than meets the surface. Could she have fear of intimacy with others coz of abuse, for example? This story has more to it than meets the surface, as incest is more morally complex than homosexuality.
Kel, Ireland, UK
um, a little sick and quite nuts.
Jack, uxbridge, usa
I don't condemn the writer, but I am amazed at the fact that the majority here considers this kind of relationship healthy. Incest produces a lot of pain and guilt (and even abuse), please consult any shrink that has treated these cases. Would you get laid with your brother/sister?
Pablo, Houston, USA
Suppose they had a child, but it suffered no birth defects; wud that make it ok to everyone who feels it's wrong? Even then, is it wrong for 2 unrelated ppl who are both passive carriers of a genetic disease to procreate, as they are more likely to have a disabled child? How about calling them sick?
Smon, Belfast,
To those religious bigots who say incest is morally wrong, I've got one thing to say to you: ABRAHAM & SARAH... you know, from the Bible?! They were siblings. And if you believe the Genesis creation story, Adam and Eve's children must have committed incest too. Wake up and smell the hypocrisy!!
Christine, Medford, OR, USA
What a lovely article. I'd like to thank the lady for writing about her relationship so honestly. It's interesting to me that something I think is very common, is something that so many people get all het up about. I don't have a problem with it - and it's legal in some countries! Thanks again.
Zarich, London, uk
If this is healthy then why the secrecy??? Both brother and sister will always live with the guilt and doubt until they get some deep long term counseling. They are also living a lie by keeping this from their partners.
Alex , Phoenix , USA
Personally, I am disgusted. The way it's told is like a porno.
Everyone has a right to their stories and experiences, but there has to be boundaries somewhere! Why not in the family? Also, these are not consenting adults; they were two children. Why was a 14yr old hungover?
Oh Please!!
Yolande, Connecticut, USA
A sweet story. I can imagine having feelings for my sibling if they were nearer my age. I'm not sure. I can't see any harm if there was no chance of children. I'm glad by how many enlightened people there are here. Forget the extremists.
David, Manchester, UK
The fact that the person you were sleeping with was your brother aside, you still did wrong as you were both cheating and lying to your partners. Also isn't it wrong to be doing something that your parents would clearly disapprove of under their roof?
Jen, London,
Despite the intellectual 'yay' as it were I get the feeling that this is innately discordant with what occurs naturally. What with sex being for re-procreation, and associated pleasure for bonding parents. I can see how their bond affects Alison, but unfortunately the sister is no ordinary ex.
Sophie, London,
I must say, negative comments aside, it makes me happy to see so many encouraging, enlightened people who understand that if something makes one happy, without causing others pain, one should be allowed to continue it unmolested by moral bigotry and high-mindedness.
Evan, Oxford, UK
It's not as if children are involved...???
Rebecca, Madrid, Spain
Morally and emotionally, as long as the people involved are consenting and adult, I think its great!
The only reason society discourages this activity is because children born of such relationships can after generations become mutated and develop disease or other problems such as down syndrome.
Chris Kirk, Worthing,
Really I don't see any problem with this - it's not as if children are involved. If people love each other, and aren't harming anyone else, then it shouldn't be anyone else's concern. I think it's a shame they broke up, but I hope the woman involved can find happiness elsewhere.
Cat, Plymouth,
I'm a gay man, so am used to the dishonesty of the "publicizing it means promoting it" brigade, who seek to pathologize most or all types of non-standard sexual congress. But I do wonder if sibling incest can ordinarily be attributed to pre-disposition (nature) or whether nurture factors are at play
Ortelius, London,
we live in a cruel world in which social morality and biological factors set restrictions on our behaviours no matter in love or other activities.
samuel, Suzhou, China
I see a lot of religious bigots, who are brainwashed into accepting the so called normal.We only adhere to the normal, due to biological reasons of birth defects.
Accept people in families can and do love each other!
Religions judge , and threaten ! good reason to do away with religion.
jonathan rose, great torrington, uk
Anthony writes, "All you morally outraged lot make me laugh." Hear, Hear - I agree! The outrage is similar to the 'slipery-slope' ideology of American radical conservatives. They think if one person does something different, then everyone will follow and all will be lost. They rule by fear...
Kellie, Jacksonville, United States
Love is in short supply in this judgemental, painful and cruel world. I hate how much worse the religeous make the planet. Pity we couldnt ship them somewhere else to judge and moralise and hate each other. Good luck to this woman and her bro who have found a glimmer of love in a cesspit of moralism
mark j, belfast, uk
Anthony writes, "All you morally outraged lot make me laugh." Here, Here - I agree! The outrage is similar to the 'slipery-slope' ideology of American radical conservatives. They think if one person does something different, then the whole world will follow and all will be lost. They rule by fear...
Kellie, Jacksonville, United States
Just goes to show, consent and understanding trump any rule, and those who choose their morals based on nothing but squeamishness have a stunted sense of right and wrong.
Good, honest, moving writing. Stay true.
G Davies, Somerset, England
when does it stop?today its ur brother, tomorrow ur father...how many ppl out there would have sex with THEM?i think its sick, even if u feel good about it.theres a reason biological mutations are more likely in offspring born from incest.coz its wrong!this isnt progress, its promoting the perverse
Anna, Athens, Greece
Jerry! Jerry! Jerry!!
(Audience chant from "The Jerry Springer Show" when something outrageous happens...)
Dave Ferro, Dayton, Ohio, USA
If so many are repulsed by this couple's actions, why did they take the time to read the entire article, and then bother to take more time to submit a comment? Judge not, lest ye be judged. Live and let live. Mind your own business. Leave the final say to a higher power.
Janet Larson, Phoenix, USA
I think this is why incest is forbidden -- the relationship between these two siblings has resulted in confusion and guilt. They seem to have fallen in love but know they can't tell anyone and certainly can't marry and be openly together. A very sad story.
Jenny, Austin, TX, USA
Nothing wrong in wanting to be with the one you love. People should be allowed to lead their own lives without fear of being prosecuted by society at large.
Elke Nel, Pretoria, South Africa
i understand what it is like. i've been in a similar situation with my cousin who i respect. its true its like experiment. but unlike u i still feel guilty and that its wrong. i enjoyed it at the time but then cried for days sum1 found out and threatened to tell my family about it. ur not the only 1
alisha, leeds,
Your one messed-up girl!
I'd hate to fall for you...
A Fouche , Thaba , SA
Good luck to you. This hurts no-one, but I hope all the negative and hurtful comments won't colour your views of what seems to be a relationship full of love, pleasure and respect. I don't think God will have any problem with this.
Mike, London,
No-one has the right to tell the woman writing this piece that she is wrong.
Everyone's sexual and emotional make-up is different. It seems to me to be rather arrogant to tell her her feelings are ' wrong'.
Richard, Groningen, Netherlands
This disturbs me. Not only do I think that the older brother used a bit of that boy charm and manipulation, but I think this woman has some type of mental deficiency that he used to his advantage. I wonder what type of rearing went on in their home in order for them to be accepting of this?
talia, ft lauderdale, usa
This is the must disturbing piece i have ever read. I believe this young woman was nothing but exploited but a confused and perverse older brother. I have two older brothers and get immediately turned off by someone im interested in that remotely reminds me of either of them... God help them.
Kristen, Charlotte, USA
This is the most disgusting thing I've ever heard of. I'm 32, adore my brother, but would NEVER EVER have sex with him. Give your head a shake woman. You and your brother need some serious psychological help. Twisted and warped.
Lynn, Prince George,
I think this sounds like a girl who has been manipulated by her older brother and who is deeply torn due to her adoration of him. The pain of this has led her to repress the trauma of this abuse, and use rationalisation as a defence mechanism: we take too many things at face value.
Fiona, Liverpool, UK
My 2nd great-grandfather had a daugher who married her uncle. They were pioneers. You either married within the group or you married the natives. That wouldn't bother me today, but I think they thought it was worse than incest. I don't see any reason to live with guilt. Nobody was hurt. Be happy.
Joy Pero, Pomona, USA
Bravo. What a lot of silly bother the stigma over incest is. Perhaps there are sound evolutionary forces that have created an innate distaste for such things, but humans are perfectly capable of overriding impulses that basically boil down to taste. What a shame the two of you must be apart.
George, London, UK
If God is Love, then all who Love are Godly.
victor.compton, Cherbourg, France
this is unjustifyable cause incest is incest.Welcome to hell
Barrow jarra, stockholm, sweden
This piece is fiction. The psychological and emotional repercussions would have been far more destabilising than the writer conveys. Society has taboos, not just for genetic reasons, but also for psychological ones: intimacy within birth families does not equate with sex. Even Nietzshce went crazy.
Margot Cornelius, Manchester, Lancs
it's realy weird life....she/he should consult to psychiatrist .....
no religious people would allowed....
onny iqbal, samarinda, indonesia
INNNTERESTING. I USED to think that intimate relationships among siblings were "wrong" but after reading this article, it opened my mind to a whole 'nother level! I commend the sister in telling her story. Pro-choice in everything. Why rules and boundaries? They just keep our minds close and robotic
Krystal , Orange County, USA
Human is the most intelligent and social creature on the earth.Animals do sex in the family without any obligation and feeling guilty. They just do sex without knowing relationship between them.
If Human does such things then it is very difficult to differentiate us with them. Soul cann't accept it
Jack, Canton, US
Once upon a time people who married each other were called royalty. Now they're called criminals.
I'm torn on this - universal condemnation of incest is based on the genetic consequences, so use of proper protection seems to rule out that basis.
Still, I couldn't imagine it. WAY too weird.
Ted Tyro, Canberra, Australia
I have mixed feelings on this. But I guess at the end of the day, if you both felt it was okay, then it's okay. As long as you don't judge each other, then I don't see the harm. It's a pity your sexual side to the relationship came to an end though. He shouldn't have married her.
Lynne, Edinburgh, Scotland
In our preteens, up until about 13, my cousin and I used to experiment.
Religion imposes all sorts of silly rules, which then get ingrained in our culture. If both parties say yes, then what's the harm!
Ingrid, Hastings,
I'm sorry, I don't consider myself a judgemental person when it comes to sex topics (transgender, transvestites, bisexuals) whatever. But come on is there no boundaries? I mean the fact that he was drunk the first time you did stuff seems wrong. I'm willing to hear more though as to this case.
Kim Bangert, Lancaster, Lancaster County
Have you talked to a professional about it, I know a lot of women don't think it's rape until they talk to someone. Just b/c it felt good doesn't mean it might not still be hurtful to you. Also how old were you when you started this like 15? B/c at that age was your brother taking advantage of you?
Kim Bangert, Lancaster, Lancaster County
Hypocritical comments! Every kid plays "sexual" games with other kids (sometimes siblings) and yet everyone "forgets" it once childhood is over and makes ashamed those who remember.
Nick, TA, Israel
All you morally outraged lot make me laugh. Christian ethos allows for compassion and understanding and forgiveness above all.
Fantastic, well written article, good luck to the author and family.
Anthony, Manchester, UK
Most wouldn't understand or care to. Never abuse in our home as children, sexually or otherwise. But when my oldest sister was 26 and I was 21, decades ago, at her apartment, we bonded in bed. We now have spouses, happily, and do on special occasion consent in private, using proper birth control.
Mark, Indiana, USA
"The next morning it was clear that Daniel had a hangover"
I don't condemn either one, but I find that disturbing.
Last paragraph is sad. You don't see a problem with it, but I can't help but hear someone struggling because of their brother's drunk actions.
Jenn, TX, USA,
Once we had a restrictive sexual morality.
It changed. 1st divorce was not a big deal anymore, then premarital, adultery, then homosex., then sado, open marria., poligamy. Now incest, pedophilia and zoophilia?
Family = base of society. Society is crumbling. Taboos are there for a reason.
Pablo, Houston, USA
If it is (a) consensual, and (b) if all precautions are taken to prevent an unwanted pregnancy, why should inter-sibling incest be frowned upon? It is part and parcel of sexual experimentation by youngsters all over the world.
Hank, Cape Town, SA
I think can understand how these things happen. I have a cousin who's only a month older than me, I've never been as close to anyone as I was to him when we were younger. Had he come to me with sexual intent I'm not sure I would have turned him away, though I can't imagine being the instigator.
HK, Manchester, UK
Incest is not just socially unacceptable. It is morally wrong.
Schrodinger, Toronto, Canada
The idea that 'no-one was hurt' is bizarre. She still loves her brother above everything, bad for her new relationship & thus for boyfriend and her. She's her sister-in-law's emotional rival. Her bro's marriage, and thus her bro, are affected. Honesty compromised all round. Everyone hurt, surely!
JW, Istanbul, Turkey
we really dont know whats going on with or minds and emotions, and i dont blame you guy to feel the way you feelpeople are people and it just so happens you guy where family i to have thoughts but for my cousin and i push then aside, why are people gay why are people killers, its all in the mind
mya, st.louis, mo
Explain why water is wet or why the sky is blue. And just what ARE those Nazca Lines?
We DO NOT know everything and there are Universal Laws that we cannot explain or intellectualize. They simply are there for our own good and for the harmony in our species. Free will - given and can be taken away
jjstark, g,
I agree with the point about self restraint. What is the purpose of having family? As someone who knows, my brother who I shared a room with, came onto me, stimulating lustful thoughts, which were directed away from him later on, but unfortunately towards my sister. I regret being so intimate now.
RC, london, uk
Each mind encompasses a whole different world... If she's happy and in sync with her emotions, and she's corresponded.. good for her! It's hard to find and enter into lasting and nourishing relationships, so if found one with her sibling, who won't betray or hurt her, let her be happy, I would say
Rafael V, Mexico City, Mexico
go for it girl if he is ONE yhoo LOVE then o for it dont care what other people think!!! GO FOR IT
emily, Oswestry, uk
Thankyou to the people who have positively commented on this. Can all these guys quoting bible extracts please take it somwhere else? What they did wasn't wrong, they didn't hurt anyone else and they both came out of it with positive memories. WHY IS THAT A BAD THING?!
Well written article btw :D
Sam, London, England
I Know my comment will just be another on these lines, but I want to have my say.
I think that your relationship is not wrong, and you should never be made to feel guilty about it. You had a relationship and it was a healthy one. Go with what you feel is best for you and not what others think.
Oscar, Australia, Australia
Get off the religious high horse - God will judge them IF he sees fit. Get off the medical bit as well - no children were made.
Love is love. Sorry if you cant accept it, its just the way it is. If she and her brother chose to be intimate without coercion or abuse then by all means good for them.
Roxanne Mackenzie, Chicago, USA
It's their business and no one else's.Two teens experimenting, contraception used, no control issues- so what's the worry? And how many marriages *don't* have big secrets hanging over them?
It's funny how those who believe in invisible friends in burning bushes think their holy books apply to all.
Mika, London, UK
When I was a kid, I had a crush on my first cousin. I still think about it sometimes. I take the lady at her word that it was what was.
Name withheld, St. Petersburg, USA
I think this poor woman has been manipulated by an older brother who she obviously adored. The whole thing has left a bad taste in my mouth. Hopefully she'll be able to move past the experience and have some semblance of a normal life. He seems to have managed with no problems - hmm, funny that.
stephanie, London, England
What a beautiful story.
I had the most loving friendship with my sister. Physical love was unthinkable in our orthodox christian family, but it would have been wonderful.
She is still the person I have loved most in my life.
Robin, Amsterdam,
Congrats to everyone who's commented positively - as long as there's no one else to get hurt by, WHO CARES? :D
Eric, Plymouth, USA
When I was younger my brother initialised sex with me and I just, well, "lay back thinking of england' to put it nicely.
I've always felt guilty I didnt stop it. For years I felt isolated Now I know it's not just me, right or wrong I can get on with my life without feeling disgusted. Thankyou. :)
Sarah, Kingston,
You can't control which human being has the perfec t soul match for you. Even though it may be a sibling or a family member, you have to understand that it's not the idea of them being a relative which attracts them, it's just their personalities and souls that click.
Jess, Ontario,
My sister and I had sex for several years in our early teens. It was the best sex of my life! I STILL fantasize about it, and it's been almost 40 years! It was always consensual, and we never hurt one another. We've both led normal lives. What's the harm?
Steve, Smithfield,
As a solicitor, I hear all sort of stories and I always try to give my clients the benefit of the doubt. Being atheist is one thing but not having any moral is another. There has to be a line which must not be crossed and surely. To me, this i one. Aren't humans supposed to be advanced apes?
M, Poplar, London
I always thought society's taboo around incest was because of the risk of inbreeding.
If pregnancy precautions were taken, and this was the warm, loving, emotional relationship which the reading of it suggests, then in all conscience I cannot see the wrong.
Max, London,
I just can't understand this kind of logic. I believe it is not nature and out of human being.
sonia, Beijing, China
I did try to draw logical conclusions to the story , but i can't understan why when there is a choice, I know in Pakistan, India, Iran and Arabs marry within family, cousent between each other and i Accept it but brother and sister having sexual relationship for me is byond logic.
Lec Neli, London, UK
Anyone remember Virginia Stephens, later Virginia Woolf?
John Dutton, Canberra, Australia
Listen the truth is that this has happened to millions of people, history is rife with stories of this it is simply one of the many ignored truths of the world in which we live. The greater thing is that both of you were able to move on to a healthy lifestyle after, and kudos for contraception.
Nick, Burlington, USA
Four hundred and fourteen comments! Why so many?
San Ying, Montreal, Canada
This is absolute lunacy and irresponsible. You both need HEL! Get it.
MBO, London, UK
I don't think there's anything wrong with it. If it's out of love, these things happen. I guess it's a part of human behavior.
Jess, new york,
Over the years our culture has imposed a number of taboos on human behavior, including homosexuality, transsexuality, inter-racial couples, etc. The most remarkable aspect of them has been that they illustrate so clearly how repressive and intolerant our society can be about sexual behavior.
TF, USA,
On my opinion this is intolerant and completely not healthy, bad character, ect. This shows that the world we live in has things we never actually thought about doing due to its disgustingness. Hats of to you though, madam, for sharing your own expierence and showing that this world has its stories.
Lenny Starger, Hong Kong, China
I've never had sex with anyone in my family, but I can relate to desiring sex in ways that fall outside of society's "norm." Sexuality falls outside the lines of marriage, heterosexuality, and monogamy, but often people are afraid of exploring alternative sexual relationships. Thx for sharing
Kathryn, Berlin, Germany
I fancy my 2nd cousin twice removed but your brother is just soooooo wrong!!!!! Good reading though
Mike, Inverness, scotland
This is disgusting. I have never read such a horrible revolting account. This is where the world is going and people are not even seeing it for the perverseness of what it really is.
Daniel, Washington DC,
in a million years i could not havesex with my brother ,we get on fine i think ,i,tsbizare ,but the story was good reading
rosita, stannes , lancs
Hmmm. Academia. Incest. Justification.
No kidding. No wonder.
Evets, Bristol, UK
Incest between siblings is probably rarely as consequence-free as described, nor am I rushing out to participate. That said, it certainly doesn't seem to cause much harm here, nor does it affect me (or anyone else). So who cares?
Hey, I think I found that missing middle ground!
Lo, San Jose,
A man's body is programmed for sex. Does that give every male the God given right to jump on every female in sight? Nature programmes us all to respond to sexual arousal. But there have to be boundaries. Rules are meant to protect people from abusive scenarios which can happen in any home.
Gary Hudson , Leeds, UK
If this story is genuine and I assume that it is, then no one else has the right to be judgemental. If what these two people do together feels alright for them, then who are we to say otherwise. There are far too many people in the world laying down rules which they expect others to adhere to.
John, Exeter, UK
Hormones mean teenagers and even young children will not understand their bodies arousal and can associate this with pleasure. Because their bodies react in a way they're not emotionally mature enough to deal with. Civilised people do not act on every sexual impulse. Self restraint is necessary.
Richard Keighley , Worthing, United Kingdom
Incest is given such a taboo nature due to the number of reports of a father sexually abusing his daughter. People often accept incest as a taboo without question. Those who argue inbreeding cause birth defects never researched upon the subject matter thoroughly enough.
And comments ARE so short...
Steve, Ontario, USA
Sex between siblings is far more widespread than you might think. I have read several studies on the subject, and it would appear that it occurs in over 20% of families.
Vierotchka, Geneva, Switzerland
I have had similar experiences and it proves there are always exceptions to every rule in life.
Michael, Los Angeles, USA
While I may not want to excoriate the author of this article for her confessions, I will say that I am not cool with this, not at all.
Allan, Brooklyn, USA
The many comments and criticisms confirm the wisdom of keeping private matters private.
Many hypocrites are blind to their own failings and weaknesses.
This relationship, like abortions, is the business of the adult couple involved and their doctor's, only, no one else.
Ken.H, Harrow, UK
The author showed very clearly that she understands the social and emotional ramifications of her incestuous relationship. There's no need for anybody to condemn her of feel sorry for her.
Incestuos procreation is a biological taboo. However, incest itself is purely a social taboo. No harm done.
Tom, Seattle, USA
Incest between siblings is wrong and disgusting. This is not about their ages at the time, nor is it about religion. This article is not progressive - it is regressive!
Christians, esp Puritans, have taken things way too far, but there is a reason why their teachings spread after Rome/Greece.
Kris, Seattle, USA
This story is sick and I really find it difficult to believe. I think this person is an exhibitionist and likes the media attention.
Gilmartin, Bristol, England
What's with all teh coverage of this in the media lately - what next - fathers sleeping with under age daughters or sodomy with their sons - can't help getting the feeling that this is being "normalised" and one of these days no one will bat an eyelid about it. Scarey.
Jane , London, UK
Wonderful story, im glad people don't feel embarrassed coming into the open like this, truthfully my sister and I have hit it off for the past 10 years, we are one of those couples that she described
Paul, Truro,
I don't have any brothers or sisters. But I am close to my cousin and the idea of having any kind of sexual relationship with him is completely wrong to me. I won't condem them, but where would we draw the line if society extended sexual relationships to siblings? The world is sex-mad as it is
Rachael, Driffield, Yorkshire, England
A new word for this kind of uninteresting tripe - a "stringer" : the public exhibition of personal problems for the voyeuristic delectation of people who are not in possession either of a life or the usual sensitivities of human beings. Public hangings come to mind as an example.
Kevin Straw, Leicester,
Stuff like this usually sounds like it went out of control, more along the lines of attraction and emotion. At the age of 14, puberty kicks in and people start to get ideas (igniting curiosity) which makes people more prone to getting confused and mixed up. It's best to just move on to other people
Timo Arnaldo, Milpitas,
Of course the children of Adam and Eve had to sleep together to produce children. This will not happen if evolution is true. Yet another clear sign that it is NOT.
virginia, Brisbane, Australia
It always seems to us that if it feels good then it is good.
but it is human nature to justify everything when we feel want something.
i am not their judge.
Jesus said he who is without sin let him cast the first stone. he ultimately is the judge.
Andrew, Ny
andrew , farmingdale, usa
There's nothing technically wrong with incest (same-blood-sex). After all, we are all same blood at some degree. It might be worst for gens, but who truly knows? Society is the main focus of the issue, but the true problem is you being emotionally dependent on someone else for your hapiness.
Caue CMR, Sao Paulo, Brazil
Let's get things clear. a single sexual relationship between siblings does not cause genetic deformities to occur - repeated reproductive ones do. Relationships between siblings have been known throughout history -see ancient Egypt.
John, Knutsford, UK
Love is love. They're not hurting anyone - get over it.
Anastasia, High Wycombe, England
This is sickening.. I am a very open minded person I'm not religious but it makes me ill to think of siblings together it is wrong and i know she says we always use contaception but that isn't one hundred percent effective and its a very selfish person who would do that to their children.
Mary, Dublin, Ireland
i think its beautiful. Although i have brothers and i would never dream of doing such a thing with them, I feel that is a sad romantic story with all odd against it. I wish them all the best.
briance, bruges,
There has to be something seriously wrong with these siblings? All I can think after reading this is ew! Where is this world headed?? Sad. I am pretty opened minded...but C'mon!
Karen, San Diego,
When I was 10 years old I was pestered by men all the time. I am fed up of people living like they are literally enslaved to their sexual desires like predators. People are becoming animals - not human beings who can say no, or refuse to degrade theirselves. It's wrong and we need to draw a line.
Susan M., Liverpool , England
When the world found out about the horrific case of abuse in Austria recently, where a man imprisoned his daughter and raped her for 22 years, we also heard that their eldest daughter born, Kristin was seriously ill. Kristin's health was so appalling because she had been born from incest. Appalling.
Tim Drew , Whitby,
Gross! Why does sex have to pervade everything in today's world?
Its annoying. There are other things in life than sex. Geez.
Sarah, Seattle, USA
I think she makes sense, but only in terms of two consenting adults, which is partly what she is talking about. Emotionally abusive.......I don't think so as a great deal of relationships can affect a person's relationship with other. I know a guy and girl who were high school sweethearts and.....
Clint Wirth, scranton, USA
There are absolutely no studies which indicate that there are any more genetic problems with offspring of blood kin, than off spring of non blood kin.
Don't use junk science to prop up a moral and judgmental stance.
she doesn't seem mentally ill to me, and it's rather vicious to say she is.
Deldell, Spokane, USA
Although the writer says that the relationship with her brother did no harm, her words reveal that it has affected her relationship with her sister-in-law and also with her feelings towards the man she says she might marry. The emotional damage is obvious.
Michael, Sydney, Australia
What is wrong , is wrong. This shows a total lack of morals and scruples. It is a shame people take there perversions and try to justify and convince not only others but themselves what they are doing is acceptable. Now after several generations of carefull inbreeding , Just ask the Amish,
Lee , Clarion, USA
This young woman and her brother are seriously mentally ill. I hope they get the treatment they desperately need.
Kim Righetti, Upland, Calif. USA
I found out my husband had had a sexual relationship with his sister.
I couln't trust him, or tolerate what he had done.
A very long & bitter divorce ensured, & my children still suffer (though I've never told them what their father did). Thank God I only had boys...
Name withheld, surrey,
Let's at least dispel one myth first. The Bible never says Adam and Eve were the only two people on earth procreating. Just the first representatives of the human race. It also does not say that Cain and Abel were their only children. These are the only two mentioned, that's all.
Charles, Jackson, Tn., USA
personaly he sounds to great to give up
im not giving up my brother, not for anyone, they can think what they want, say what they want, i beleive love concures all, but maybe im still a child at heart, a dreamer, but even so i dont beleive anyone should give up dreaming or beleiving.
natas, salem,
The only experience ive had is sex with my high school teacher .I use to focus all my energy wanting to find out what it would be like until it really happened.She was attractively caring and assisting ,I still can never quite understand the phonemona,it was good though.
Neven, durban, South Africa
Don't really share the experience.
I believe I wouldn't consider it since it presents genetic problems if it results in pregnancy and because I couldn't feel attracted to a sibling in that way, but I believe none of us is in any position of judging it.
Jonathan, Buenos Aires, Argentina
I always wondered about adam and eve, their children and the whole story... if there were only two people to start, how did the rest of us get here?
Also - Didn't royalty used to breed with other family members to keep the bloodline?
God loves ALL of us... regardless of what you've been told!
Anna, Washington DC,
This is beautiful. I have a similar relationship with a close friend of mine, and it is also nothing more than a romantic sisterhood. Again, this was beautiful to see that someone else has a similar experience. :]
Helen, Redwood Springs, USA
One wonders how unusual this situation is. Why is it really wrong? They could live together anyway. Apparently,at times, in ancient Egypt , marriage between brothers and sisters was encouraged, plus it was regarded that this could strengthen the family hierarchy. Marrying cousins used to be taboo
B.Warren, Lymington , UK
for all you bible quoting christian fundamentalists here's one for you, "Judgment is Mine, sayith the Lord."
Korey, California, usa
I believe that English/American society has long felt the sting of Puritan influence. What the author had with her sibling was a beautiful relationship Very much practiced by nobility dating back to the early empires of western civilization. They both consented to have sexual intercourse.
Korey, Kilburn, uk
interesting point of view...i always thought about incest as abuse. however i still think that it's wrong and shouldn't be commended.
mae, singapore,
The problem here is the education system that separates kids as they're growing up. Research shows that kids who grow up and spend lots of time together, have an aversion to incestual behavior. The individual isolation of schools combines w/erosion of the moral code causes sordid cases like this.
Anna, philadelphia,
I am really freaked out at the relatively facile responses to the question of incest, particularily immediate family incest. There is a reason that its by and large unacceptable in most societies based consciously or unconsciously on genetic factors, social cohesion or protection of the vulnerable.
Terri, Cambridge,
Poppy, claiming that this will affect their children in some way is ridiculous. By that token, everyone raised by same-sex partners will turn out gay!
If they're happy with what they did, and no harm's done, who are we to judge?
Rooney
Rooney, Harlow, UK
Daisy, New York said "The kids are natural prey" because the father and aunt previously had sexual relations. What a load of rubbish. The siblings have broken off their sexual relationship and it's perfectly possibly for both to have decent marriages.
Jen, Marlborough,
Saying that it is up to them and it is their lives is all well and good but these two poeple are not indepedent of the world. Their actions will affect their children at the very least on a subconcious level. This irregular relationship will give rise to itself in some form in their children.unfair.
Poppy, Cheltenham,
At the age 15 I had such experiment (my sister is 5 years younger).
In contrast to the author, sex lead me and her being away, distant and farther from each other.
we couldn't have the feeling of union and closeness we once had.
After 18 year still it has shadowed our relationship.
fred, hamilton,
I reckon that the simple statistic that this article has generated HUNDREDS rather than the usual dozens of comments says that the author touched a national nerve. The watchword is consent and that it what separates sex with a sibling from abuse. Love, however expressed, is still love.
Trisha Shannon, Brighton, England
Me and my sister also had a similar relationship, this was initiated by her on various stages of our lives first as small children I must have been about 5 she and I would kiss, from 10-14 shed do things saying "I heard this turned guys on..does it?" She was 4 yrs older but I \enjoyed it very much
Gino, Dallas, TX
I'd just like to add to my above comment that this goes on every were.
when i was at secondary school a classmate told me he and his sister had a relationship because he knew through his sister that i was with my sister but no one ever came up to me or my sister and told us it was wrong.
jon tate, canterbury ,
My thoughts wander to the parental teachings of morals and values. Are we merely seeing a repition of child abuse going on generation to generation? Does the fact it is misinterpreted as
a natural loving act take away the fact that they are siblings? Experimentation due to hormones doesn't belong
Growing Pains, Denver, USA
When I was younger, my brother and I kissed. I was 6 and he was 9. And he hadn't exactly forced me to do it but as we got older he had started touching me. All of it had felt different and because of it I have issues with people touching me or even being near me.
Chelsea, Minnesota, USA
Fools, you don't understand that this is a STORY, not experience.
Ashik, Dhaka , Bangladesh
This is normal, me and my sister flirted with each other in our teens but never had the privacy to consimate our relationship.
I still think that this would of been a good thing for both of us its just sociatys problem and untill sociaty reconises it it will still go on though not understood.
jon tate, canterbury , kent
Re: "They had a relationship, it's over, they're friends. Can anyone actually name a single bad outcome of the situation? "
I can. When her brother and his wife have children, their father will have had incestuous relations w/their aunt, as will have the aunt w/the father. The kids are natural prey
Daisy, New York, USA
It happened to me once, were both adults at the time. With only 18 months between us, sharing the same emotions and same experiences within the family. This makes two people very close. I believe it is more to do with comfort and familiarity that we need at the time. Dont feel guilty. Jill UK
Jill, Daventry, United Kingdom
I think what they had was beautiful. They relationship was tender and loving. He loved her so and even asked her if she did not want him to marry all she had to do was say so. It was right for them to stop their sexual relationship. If it had not she would have become his wife and become pregnant.
mike, new york, usa
A lot of the comments here heave been as to whether the girl was or was not "consenting" as she was 14. The age of consent (16 in the UK) is a legality, with no respect for individuals actual development. What is the real difference between a 15 year old a 16 year old ?
Natalie, Colchester, United Kingdom
True or false. Does it matter? This story is about forbiden love. Have you ever loved someone so much you hurt for them on a daily basis? I have, and if i found out that he was my brother later it would not have changed a thing. Soul mates. Love has no bounderies, love does not judge.
amanda clark, canton, US
Those who say it is wrong - who are you to judge? Are you sure that you are 'whiter than white'?
And for those who say it is deceitful and a lie - have you told your partner about every previous sexual encounter you may have had? I certainly haven't. Everyone has things they keep to themselves...
Jenny, Redhill, UK
Here in the States this is known as "The'Deliverence' Syndrome ".
daryl, Dallas, U.S.A.
They had a relationship, it's over, they're friends. Can anyone actually name a single bad outcome of the situation?
Emily, Bristol,
re: Jane the anthropologist from London. There is not a universal taboo against incest across all of history. Just look at sister-brother marriage in Roman Egypt for many instances of lawful incest without a hint of a taboo being broken.
Hannah, London,
Jen, Grenoble, France
I dont really have much of an opinion on this to be honest - but to say incest causes disease is somewhat far fetched- i can only assume you are reffering to genetic problems in offspring of incestuous couples???
Rebecca, London,
I don't agree with what this woman and her brother did, but for those hurling their religious mud at her, "judge not, lest..." I'm sure you know the rest.
Mike, Bristol, UK,
Here in Australia we only recently read in our newspapers of a father who lives with his daughter as husband and wife. There was similar coverage and comments as have been made in this blog, then it was all over...a 'nine day wonder'. But we had photos of the couple so it was not fake!
John, Woollahra, Australia
Why are commenters referring to the Bible? The author does not say she's Christian, so why is the Bible relevant to her choices? Using your religious views to judge others, and a moral superiority complex, is what creates the REAL problems in our world - probably more so than these two having sex!
Clare, New York City, USA
I confess that for me incest is unthinkable. And I didn't know that it was also spread. It is not the moral point of view, wich bother me but the biological character of the thing. I've always believed that incest can cause diseases...
Jen, Grenoble, France
So many opinions! If this is wrong, then according to WHAT criteria? If it is ok, then again according to WHAT criteria?
Who set the rules? I think in ALL societies (except some parts of the USA) incest is illegal. BUT, in most parts of the world, including UK, incest is defined as bro/sis etc.
marshal, cambs, uk
I my case i experiment in early age with cousins, we do a lot of "nasty" things.And l also experimented with girl,who was for me like sister, we started slowly discovering our bodies and end up with sex. It was quite interesting, i think of it in good. We heven´t planed sx, but if it was opportuniti
roman, brno,
i think it is nasty but i cant judge you for what you did it you and i cant put myself in your shoes because i cant see myself doing anything like dat, but i wont look at you any different either because it'z not my place and people just have a different way of love, life, and responsabilities.
keyana, brooklyn new york, united states
Well, my brother and I "experimented" when I was 13 and he was 14, at his suggestion; it went on for three years. Now I despise him; it turned out he tried the same "loving thing" with his older sister, who rarely speaks to him. Our parents just don't understand why we aren't closer to him...
Rita Richardson, Los Angeles, USA
if no harm is done, where's the problem?
on the other hand, post-freud its hard not to anticipate incestuous relationships leading to later psychological issues... but what did freud know? its not something i would personally wish for myself or my sister, but to each their own.
who really cares?
bob, mcr, uk
What I find incredible is that they had sex only once ever six months. This sounds unbelievable, yet it suggest more than a physical nature to the relationship. Either he is a genius predator
<br/>or it was something special written little about.
Jack, Tulsa, USA
"Flowers in the Attic" anyone?
h, Cincinnati, United States
What is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil - Friedrich Nietzsche
But on the whole the article is relatively boring.
AKULA, london, UK
Is this a true story? It reads like Arundhati Roy's "The God of Small Things", set in Kerala, India. In the novel, the siblings are twins. I enjoyed the novel immensely even though the incest made me sick, having a twin brother, myself. As close as we were, we just weren't close enough to go there.
kaz, hong kong,
Glad to hear of the care over contraception given the risk of harmful double recessive gene expression. This probably underlies our instinctive distaste. Such feelings generally have a sound biological basis. I would extend the legal ban to 1st cousins.
Paul, Loughborough, UK
What is good or not isn't determined by what feels "right". If you call a "healthy" relationship one that never explicitly/openly talked about their sexual relations, then I'm not sure that it is. One should be wary of someone's judgment if she defines her relationships with others mostly by sex.
York, New York,
...It is only through airing experiences such as this that any progress in society can be made. 100 years ago it would have been an article on homosexuality..."
Fred, Bristol.
Surely this would be a step backwards Fred?
Dave, swansea, Wales
Some of the comments on this article are laughable. The opinions seem to veer between "look how morally progressive I can be" fawning over how 'touching' it is that this woman has seen fit to make public her story and 'your soul will burn' from Hicksville, Kentucky, USA. Middle ground please?
Doddsby, Hampshire, United Kingdom
Where does one draw the line? Can a father and daughter have a sexual relationship? Or a mother and son? What about a Grandparent and Grandchild? If justified in the same way, does that mean it's okay? I think not.
We need taboos in our society. Otherwise we get chaos.
Vincent Ward, London, England
I'm unable 2 fully open my heart 2 anyone as nobody can fill my 1st cousin's shoes. I'm in love with her and always will be. We are both married (kids)so we no longer sleep with each other. Our family knows and is disgusted. We are so lost in love but want no more pain to family I want h in my lif
rdeonne_e, sf, usa
My sister is 2 years younger than I. When teens, she would often lie beside me on the sofa and and stroke my foot with hers. It never went beyond that, but I can understand that when young it is difficult to feel as close to someone else who you haven't grown up with. These guys didn't see the line.
Pete, NI,
I dislike the idea of two siblings having sexual encounters at the age of 14 and 15. But two non-siblings I would see as acceptable - kids experiment after all. I was 11 when I first experimented, it was with another boy and I am now gay. Do I see incest as unnatural? It's not my cup of tea, but no.
Angel, Coventry, England
Try reading "The Holy Sinner" by Thomas Mann.
Neil, Galloway, Scotland
Amazing that people think contraception is 100%. If she had gotten pregnant the story wouldn't have been so peachy. Of course she could have aborted/killed their "love" child. No harm there right? 10 - 1, if the story is real, they do end up with each other when their relationships with others fail.
Allan, Loveland, USA
i'm so glad i'm an only child. i mean no disrepect to anyone, i believe experimenting is natural for children but i don't know about after say... 12. this made me a little sick.
jeslee, amherst,
To those who keep saying "but they're consenting adults, what's the problem?", they weren't "consenting adults" when they started this relationship. They were 14 and 15, ages when hormones rule over intellect. Would you be okay with YOUR kids having sex with *anyone* at that age?
Jina, Colorado Springs,
I experimented with my brother's privates when I was a little girl. I even had a brief sexual encounter with my cousin when I was 7 years old. My cousin was 10 years old at the time. I can still remember the pain and blood. I am now in my 20's and totally normal. I used to worry about having kids.
Heather, dallas, texas
This used to be the norm, look at the ancient Greeks and Romans - nothing new.....
Swiss Reader, Schindellegi, Switzerland
my bro did the same to me gowing up til i was 14 yrs old. I was too young to remember how it started and exactly when. I know it was about 4 yrs old. I know how it feels. We are still close like it never happend. Now 25 yrs later, its like it was a dream and never happend.
jenny, willmar,
having offspring with siblings is wrong because your children would have a high chance of genetic diseases, but as long as you use protection and it's a mutual decision, who exactly is hurting from it? two people enjoying themselves, just like in any sexual relationship.
John, London,
The truth from my own experience of a relationship with a woman who had experienced many predatory sexual encounters with older members of her family is this. It destroyed her mentally and physically, they did not take no for an answer. how loving would that be,u cant say no and cant get away.
Lee, reading, england
These kind of moral oversights are becoming more accepted in the U.S. as a norm. If you have sex in our public
parks , streets and bathrooms and openly advocate for child sex our government will act quick to protect your rights and do everything they can to have you licensed as a psychiatrist.
Richard, Lexington - Ky, USA
I wonder what the origins of this taboo is? Is it that our forefathers realised the issue of genetic defects associated with incest?
There are communities where the best arranged marriages are considered to be those between the niece and the maternal uncle.
Shreela, New Delhi,
I wonder...how many of the people here that have commented on this article being "brilliant" or "progressive" have actually abused a sibling and are using this as a way to excuse their wrongs? Just a thought. Also, religion has everything to do with it. Our bodies were a gift from God. Use wisely.
S, LV, NV,
I am having a hard time wrapping my mind around this . I have a brother who is smart, handsome and funny, but I''m repulsed at the thought of making love to him. . I'm not bound or brainwashed by any religion and I believe in freedom of choice. It will be a long way off , if ever, when society
marla calandro, nEW yORK cITY,
Though I myself cannot wrap my head around something I like this, I wish people would stop condemning this woman. You have never been in her shoes, most of us don't know what this is like. Until you can fully understand, don't rush to condemn. You cannot help how you feel.
Harlie, Madison, USA
Sorry, but that is just WRONG! Incest is incest and That is definitely incest. I don't know what else to say.
sam, Belper,
Well, this is quite a situation. While I do not condone or practice incest in any way, I can not agree that the brother was a sexual predator taking advantage of his younger sister. They are only one year apart. They made the wrong choice in selecting each other as sexual partners.
Thomas, TX, USA
This article does instantly make me feel a little repulsed, but repulsion alone is no reason to condemn anyone. There may be arguments on the basis of medical grounds, family unity, and loss of important innocent relationships, but thinking it's icky isn't enough to curb the freedom of adults.
Kathy, London,
OK--let's get real here. First, I think that this is a made-up article. Secondly, if the sister in question is so "healthy" and "liberating" in her decision, then why did it take her this long to find someone to replace her brother? Why is she hiding behind anonymity? OH also, YUK!!!
Dee, atlanta, USA
Those who say that the brother is a predator, only do so because that is the default reaction ingrained into people. People are so afraid of being labeled a freak that they will even ignore the truth to conform. The brother was only ONE YEAR older and the relationship was consensual!
Justin, TX, USA
If my children were involved I would worry for their well being, same as I would have done fifty years ago had my children been homosexual.
In certain communities the ideal arranged marriage is between the meternal uncle and niece.
Like in most issues morality and opinions are subjective.
Shreela, Delhi,
I'm sorry you commenters are ridiculous...a progressive article?...enlightening?...im sorry there's nothing enlightening hearing about an older brother abusing his younger sister, there's nothing heart warming about statutory rape and child abuse. No wonder names were changed, he'd be in court
John, london, england
It's lucky for the sister (and the brother) that she liked it - but he didn't know that when he got in the bed and started touching her. He learnt a very bad lesson - and I only hope he doesn't try it on with someone who hates it or a younger person who can't escape it.
Karen, Paisley, Scotland
Those who think this is ok should read it again. Her brother seduced her, he was older & more socially aware. He's a predator and she was fooled by emerging feeling & love for him. I didn't read good memories, I read jealousy & regret. Would she feel the same if it was her son & daughter?
Lee, Dallas, USA
That story seem so wrong. But yet it seems so right, to them. I mean they been having sex for years. It was just so normal to them.
But aren't we all incest though, Because in the beginning there was Adam and Eve. So don't u wonder how we came to be? Wouldn't we all be brothers and sisters anyways??
Tina, New Orleans, USA
Love is love... if you want love your sibling, go for it. Good and wrong is subjective. If this is real, it took great courage for her, and I applaud her for being open about and finding beauty in such a torrent, taboo affair.
Forget religion; love shouldn't have restrictions.
Dan, Colubmus, Ohio, United States
I love that story
jasmincormier, Montreal,
Forbidden love; it reminds me of Romeo and Juliet.
I havent heard of an incest story like this before. Its very sad. I'm very sorry its been so hard for you, and him too. It sounds far more emotional than physical. Its sad.
There should be more articles like this to raise awareness of sibling love.
Abby, Bognor Regis, England
Brilliant article, it truly opened my eyes and really turned me on
to a whole new way of thinking about family life! Thanks
Jay, Battersby,
An interesting article, and although I do not agree with what had happened, I wouldn't deny anybody else the right to what ever they pleased with their bodies....as is their right. Am I not correct? Why should they choose a religion? Please do not force others to your faith..probably wrong anyway
Craig, Plymouth, England
I think that this article is liberating being able at last to bring this subject into the open Incest is more common than people realise and although I dont encourage it I can see how easy it is for two close siblings to cross that line. After all they love and trust each other.
Kim, high Wycombe, England
I was very sickened by the article. But more so I was sickened by the comments. I think this world needs severe punishment by God if Christ second coming is not due for long yet then I am just feared for the immediate future of my children having to live in this sick world.
a Cristian, Chelmsford, UK
There is something *very* wrong with Daniel seducing his younger sister. I suspect that's not the last we hear of him fiddling with girls he shouldn't have. As for their "hours of discussion" that their relationship should end upon Daniel's marriage; what a pleasant pair
Laura Bennett, Cheltenham,
I agree. I think the article is total fantasy
Max Patel, croydon, surrey
Having worked with social services, I know of young people who have experimented in this manner and it never turns out to be so lovely a tale. Quite frankly, I think this story is fiction. Its an abhorrent sexual fantasy written to fuel and expose the author's own lusts.
William, New Orleans, USA
Disgusting.
Isabel, Dorset, UK
It all sounds so harmless, and we're so eager to condone what 'feels good'. But is it really so different from someone saying that sex with their father is fine because they didn't feel guilty and felt turned on. Even if they were 14 and he 40 at the time? Even if they were 16 and 'consented'...?
Laura, Winchester, UK
I have always been fond of my brother, I do find the idea of sex with him sickening. Evolution has wired humans with an innate aversion to incest - most people do find the idea of it disgusting. When it happens, some kind of dysfunction in the family has probably overridden the natural repugnace.
Lisa, Vernon, USA
Morals cannot be debated. Mores and norms define people and societies in a way that animals are not defined. Whether incest 'feels right' or not it is abnormal, and the right to do increasingly abnormal things is fought for today because more people now despise law, order and absolutes.
charles kachikoti, Ndola, zambia
I disagree with this merely as a matter of personal preference. Intellectually, I see nothing inherently wrong with the relationship described in this article.
J., Morgantown, USA
Their new relationships with other people don't appear "spoilt", at least not from what was written in the article; so I think it's a bit presumptious to say such. So Daniel's wife doesn't like his sister? well, it isn't exactly uncommon for in-laws to dislike each other!
Louise Chelton, London, UK
As a muslin I find all of this pretty revolting. No doubt Christians and Jews of faith will also be disgusted. This is what happens when society loses its anchors, it sinks in moral turoitude. are thre no boundries in today's hedonistic society. Why is the "everything goes attitude" permissable.
Arif Khan, London, United Kingdom
Actually I don't believe it. It doesn't ring true. I am sure people do sleep with their brothers but this reads like a lite clean version of commercial porn. Do I detect someone with a book to sell who is hoping for six figure advance?
AJ, London,
The people commenting are uptight and don't understand adolescence or incest...........Should you marry your first cousin? If reproduction is the quest incest with family members is not good at all...beyond that..two teens can work out a lot between themselves....teens can work out 'their problems'
Gabriel, Bangkok, Thailand
Just reading some comments..."it is eveyone's right to do what they wish"... " consenting adults so no harm done" "those who oppose incest are 'busy bodies' " "This woman is a victim too" "how refreshing to see a progressive attitude towards incest"
Are you guys for real? Seriously?
Dave, Jakarta,
I am surprised people dont talk much about UNINTENTIONAL incest between adults who dont know they are related. (Think of adopted children, children born from sperm donors, etc).
When such siblings or half-siblings meet they could easily feel a affinity that leads to marriage and children.
Pravina, New Delhi, India
I also had something similar and consensual in my early teens with my brother, but not because of affection. It started more as playing a game and went from there. I stopped it when I understood it getting sexual. I do regret it today and we never speak about it. But I'm reassured to read of others.
Beth, Raleigh, USA
Courageous to speak out !!! this one of the untold stories in our society, where religious and cultural taboos don't allow to express people about their real experiences. Others have no courage to speak. At present many people have not endorsed it, but it would be a normal story after 100 years....
Khan, Islamabad, Pakistan
Sorry incest gurus but the subject of this article makes clear she was not a consenting adult (age 14). In fact, if incest is condoned the vast majority of cases inevitably WILL NOT be between two consenting adults. By the way, only dimwits believe "there was no chance of pregnancy" in this case.
Cathy Hansen, ruckersville, virginia. USA
This is a disgusting and sickening article. Incest is never okay - period. Both you and your brother are going to suffer long-lasting, severe psychological problems that will bear their weight later on in life. I feel sorry for you.
Sarah Miller, London, UK
Funny how people write how they're 'sick', 'disgusted' and find it 'revolting'! Full of aversion, yet this is still about love. Some perspective please.
Also I've never shaken the belief that those who fight the hardest against something, do so because they cannot accept their own interest in it..
dan, London, UK
When you reach puberty you are adult. No consensual relationship -of any kind- between adults is objectively immoral. Only man-made ethics create subjective moral -and legal- rules. Different societies create different rules for different reasons. Civilised societies also protect the vulnerable.
Gerard Mulholland, paris, France
As I began to read this article, I admit I was somewhat disgusted of incest itself, but as I read went on I understood the relationship between you're brother and yourself. This has definitely shined a new light on this subject.
Monica, Port Washington , US
Sounds like a story from a porn mag. Very simular. I don't beleive in the real people behind this erotic fantasy.
Olga , Brisbane, Australia
Isn't Alison a victim here? Her husband has a secret that he won't share with her, but which will always be between them. His wife is uncomfortable around her sister-in-law. Can you blame her? Secrets can be an impediments to emotional intimacy. She'll always be second best to her sister-in-law
Annie, Washington, DC, USA
This woman, who spoke so openly with Joan
McFadden regarding her relationship, which
she defined as incest, is, to me, courageous to
reveal her emotions and caring.
I do not give people, as I know them, to be that
intelligent as to genuinely try to understand, but
willing to condemn! Alas!
Lloyd, Washington, USA
love your brother like a brother-AS sibblingS-that is natural and it feels very healthy within. you will feel good within if you love those within the norms. please no further articles-about incest. and please to the couple,,adopt a religion, that will show you a pathway for forgivess,for your acts
s, KENT, UK
you people are crazy. incest is not best. i can't even believe you think it is a sexual preference. next thing, you'll be saying that pedophilia is ok. and as i recall folks in the uk were mighty upset by the half-brother/sister pair that wanted to marry.
kate, new york city, usa
Like abortion, it is the business only of the adults involved. Too many commentators have their own hang ups and hide them
Men loving men, women loving women, it is their own business only while adults are involved.
Not the business of busy bodies with hang ups.
The major No, No, is kids.
Ken.H, Harrow, UK
Before this article I would have said that the situation was disgusting and vile, but this has opened my eyes. This is truly and incredible article.
Alice, Belfoutaine,
Leviticus 18:22 "Cursed is the man who sleeps with his sister, the daughter of his father or the daughter of his mother." Then all the people shall say, "Amen!"
Don't know where all the "understanding" people are getting their thoughts from, but I believe I will go with the Holy Bible on this.
Cheryl, Birmingham, U.S.
4 words - incest is a sin!
Shammin Laskar, Aylesbury, England
i come from a religous background, but i found this article heartwarming and sweet, i too had the regular bash with my sister when i was 13, but nothing serious, and though i am sure we both remember this well we have never really discussed it again. a pity i would say, but that is society. thanks!
john, toronto, canada
Is there a culture in the world that does not have a taboo against incest ?
Heather, Prince George, Canada
Some of the deepest bonds of love and trust do NOT involve sexual expression. Agreed; this constant redefining of true love as something that can only be expressed sexually is unhealthy and will lead to a lot of broken hearts. I fear the damage incest will have on family trust and relationship.
John, Washington, DC, USA
I find it amusing that so many posters are expressing such 'open minds' and condoning this act of immorality.
I can guarantee that each and every one of you would be disgusted and would not have such an 'open mind' if a similar act of incest was being carried out by two of their siblings.
Jonathan, London,
I'm surprised that so many of those commenting see no harm in this situation. Is there anyone reading this who would be happy to hear that their teenage son and daughter were enjoying a sexual relationship? Incest is not a good or progressive thing.
KS, Atlanta, USA
A very interesting article. Just another example of social convention and a blind belief in what is wrong or right socially.
It was consensual and they were of the same age. That is important! Just think a few years ago an article on homosexuality would have generated as much controversy...
Peter, London,
Interesting..I now think sibbling incest may be more common than society realizes. Ethically speaking, I do not see a problem provided an equal distribution of power (as in this case). Incest is widely evident in nature, so I think it is misguided to categorize incest as unnatural. Good article.
Noelle, Washington, DC,
Am I the only person who doubts the veracity of this story? it all reads too pat, with no problems, no real sense of any genuine human beings involved. I think it's probably a made up story...
James Somerfield, Cambridge, UK
Surely everyone condoning the actions of this 'couple' is forgetting that no contraception is 100% effective - bar abstinence! They could have still become pregnant!
I have a friend who has a severe disability that is hereditary - she is abstinent to prevent any children inheriting her disability.
Amy, Leeds,
I love how so many people are being supportive of the woman in question. So I have a question for them -
If you found out your brother was having sex with your other sister, or if you found out your mother or father was having sex with their sibling, would you be so supportive?
I would say not.
Antonia, London,
I was sexually abused by my father throughout my childhood, and I see no similarity between this and the story this lady is telling. It is abuse that should disgust us and cause moral outrage, not sex between two consenting teens or adults, whether they are related or not.
Cam, London, UK
Well, i am a Chinese guy. I have similar experience with you, girl, but my sister and i didn't come to a sexual relationship, which is almost a taboo in China.
As to your relations, yeah, just like what was said by someone above, it is your responsibility that kept your relations healthy.
Best!
Zhang Nan, Xi'an, China
Very Interesting. I agree that it was forbidden to keep family from cummulating power and wealth as the royals had no problem in marrying their family members. I do see the genetics point. Love is love. For the christians..Abraham married his half-sister and God didn't have a problem with it.
Ruth, Midwest, USA
People who preach bible need to answer this. In the beginning there was Adam,Eve and two sons. How did they multiply? Isn't it purely out of incest that you and I are now on this earth. Why don't the godmen talk of this?
Ben, World, Earth
I find the moral smugness of many of the posters here(viz. homosexuality, slippery slope etc.) rather sick. I don't agree with incest but this relationship was clearly right for them and as there was no risk of children, which they themselves recognise would be wrong,who exactly was hurt by this?
Cat, London,
It's great that somebody is so opened to say something like this. Take away the religious taboo on sex, which is why "it felt so right and it was so great" and nobody would see it as nasty.
It's the animal instinct of human being reacting to the oposite sex specially after going through so much.
Angel, Los Angeles, California
The most impressive part is the guy says if she says something then he can refuse to marry that girl, then they can live happily ever after. I admire this sincere emotion when it's against the morality. But who cares about morality as long as people care about each other and being happy.
Zhang Yu, Nanjing, China
There is also a risk for the offspring of couples with genetic defects, but no one forbids them. I see no victims. Do you really think society can fall apart from a relationship between consenting adults? Man has never been "natural"-- is using contraception or doing heart transplants natural?
Claudia, New Jersey, US
Absolutely amazing how much moral outrage there is against male-female consensual incest (and there should be), but absolutely none against man-man sodomy in the interest of "diversity" and "tolerance". Where's the "tolerance" for brother and sister getting it on?
Mark, Seattle, USA
From my own experiences, I know that often one can feel incredibly close to family members and that genuine affection and lust can easily become confused. I had some sexual relations but not full sex and i am now relieved i didnt although not without some regret.
Helen Wadlington, Sydney, Australia
I believe it has been postulated from mitochondrial DNA analysis that all Europeans are descended from just eight women, that means we're all guilty of incest, unless of course we're married to non-Europeans or non-European ourselves! Enjoy!!!
Nick, Potters Bar, UK
As I've heard mentioned before, the Westermarck effect usually prevents brothers & sisters from being attracted to each other. I have never had anything but brotherly love for my sisters. However, I don't see any reason I should judge others. They had a caring consensual relationship, good :)
Dave, Seattle, USA
In view of theJosef Fritzl/Jessie Gilbert tragedies & the millions of incest victims who's lives have been devastated (often leading to drug addiction, promiscuity, prostitution, suicide) to print an article condoning as healthy/harmless faimily members sexually preying on one another is a disgrace.
Cathy Hansen, Ruckersville, Virginia, USA
I can't believe this !!!!!!!
"Incest is not so bad" "It's not in the same class as child abuse"
People.....It is vile!!!!!! It is sick!!!!! It is against everything moral and decent. How can anyone defend or excuse it?
Dave, jakarta,
A lot of people are saying it's not natural. Let's keep in mind this is pretty much the OPPOSITE of everything we see in our pets, in the animals that give us food, even in plants!
Although I don't agree with it, or the risk of deformities in children, I see no harm in what this pair had going on.
Brian W., Toronto, Canada
the important point here is that they were both consenting adults.People are right to point out that they took responsibility and used contraceptives. Its not incest thats wrong, its what can happen if an inbred baby is made. Thus,the sickly royalty of old. Love who you want, but be responsible.
Valerie, Bloomington, USA
No matter how you try to paint it, it is still very very wrong.
Even animals have the evolutionary instinct to void it.
I am suprised at the moral decay of some of the posters, in semi aproval or omplete approval of this
Rabbani, Birmingham, England
Odd that the author claims to have a logical mind yet dismisses incest's import because it "feels good."
To Alexandera of Chicago: don't look at everything in feminist terms. Incest as described here has nothing to do with oppression of anyone.
It does have everything to do with inbreeding.
Vincent Savage, Florence, South Carolina
i advise her to inter a hospital
mahir, moscow, rassia
I'm about to puke all over..This is sickest thing i have ever read, till I read the comments where people actually endorse this heinos act. I hope of all the people who have endorsed this sick act dont have children of thier own, lest they are promoting for thier own children. god forbid.
Mohammed , Copenhagen, Denmark
Totally disgusting......both of these people need help to believe this was normal and ok!!! How could anybody say this seemed to be a healthy relationship?This is no different than a father/mother having sex with their child!! Do we think that is ok as well? Iam astonished anybody would tell this!!!
Shawna, Nashville, USA
I think this is an interesting article - but in this age of me gratification it would be also interesting to follow up with an article of why incest originally became taboo in our society ... there were obviously reasons it was stamped out. Let's balance the argument with the historical information.
Michelle, Sydney, Australia
When incest taboo began there were social reasons for it, BUT that doesn't mean that those reasons still exist. Historically, subordinating women has been considered crucial to social cohesion, but today our society can function with equal genders. Likewise, incest poses no social threat today.
Alexandra, Chicago, IL, US
Everyone sexually experiments in their life, usually first with themselves - so what if she and her brother did it? It was consensual and there was no harm in it. Good for her for sharing her story.
Samantha , O'ahu, Hawaii, USA
I'm kind of laughing at all the self-righteous reactions about how incest is wrong and yuck, etc. Well if the author and her brother's marriages don't last, they can still go live in France where incest is not forbidden (why would it if it is between consensual adults?).
Jon, Tokyo,
I am willing to bet that for every positive and loving incest story out there, that there would be hundreds of thousands where one or more of the involved parties are horribly emotionally damaged.
Aside from the obvious biological dangers, incest is not a good idea.
Mike, Arizona, USA
Revulsion of incest is not a silly moral taboo, it is not created, it is innate; let us not forget the product inbreeding. There are many many stupid taboos that have been created concerning sexual orientation, age of consent, and monogamy but incest is not one of those, please try to understand.
courtney , south salem , usa
What is NORMAL or ABNORMAL? There are never any clear lines. It's like how most people think there are only 2 genders, but they don't hear about the children who are born with ambiguous genitalia and chromosomes. There are bound to be more unreported cases like these. Homosexuality was once "gross."
dee, los angeles, usa
I must say that I was lost for words they crossed the line between affection and sex.I am amazed that the sister could find a healthy relationship later on there a real issues here for example if they had fell pregnant, discovered the brother would have been deemed the instigator he groomed her....
Mark Winn, Horsham, England
I admire the honesty but are these siblings sane if they cant express there love for each other without having sexual involvement?. No matter how you dress incest up its just not right!. I cant see how anyone can even begin to condone this.
Ashlea, Herts,
I cannot belive that any one would have anything positive to say about this article. It's incest people! Its not natural and its wrong? Whats next pedophilia stories followed by your glowing reviews about how brave the pedophile is ?
Jaime Navarro, San Antonio Texas, USA
Well basically, it's sick. I'm feeling rather nauseous just thinking about it (I've got 2 sisters). I don't care how you dress it up, it's just.... wrong.
James Lynch, London, UK
Good on them!! This story highlights the absurd and arbitrary moralizing taboos which our society likes to contsruct around sexual relations. Emotions between siblings are complex, people are complex. To deny our complexity, as Christians would have us do, is absurd. Live and let live.
Richard Burdon, Nottingham,
Not only is incest frowned upon because of the effects on any children but because of trust and family cohesion- if it's ok to have sex with one sibling why not another- we can imagine the destructive efect this would have within the family!! If they are not ashamed why not tell daniel's wife etc?
Diana, Swansea,
Sorry, but these siblings sound troubled if they can't love another person without involving their genitals. Some of the deepest bonds of love and trust do NOT involve sexual expression. I hope these people don't have children. Or even a devoted pet, for that matter!
Julia, Abilene, Texas, USA
I am sorry, but no matter how natural it may feel, this is just gross. Some societal norms exist with good reason. I think that this person and her brother need to seek counseling.
Tony, Philadelphia, PA, United States
The writer has nothing to feel guilty about, since they acted
responsibly with regard to contraception and not being caught.
The parents should have been more restrictive with their teenage children sleeping on each others beds, etc.
they left them open to temptation.
I admire the honesty
steve, toronto, canada
Are you people insane??? What this woman describes is absolutely disgusting. The mere idea of any kind of physical relationship with my brother make me cringe and want to throw up and scrub myself inside out. And even if it were as common as she thinks (which I doubt) it wouldn't make it right.
Rachel, London, UK
...for once, I am at a loss for words.
Gavin, London, England
Look back in history..... Lots of Royalty have been married to relatives. So is it ok for Royal incest but not commoner incest?
Just playing devils advocate....
I dont agree with incest either.
James Falcon, Miami, Arizona, USA
Personally i have no problem with this type of relationship, as previously stated if both parties are consenting then what is the harm. In years gone by certain members of society only married and entered into sexual relationships with people who were related to them.
Jemma, London,
Great article. Very honest. I wouldn't call it "progressive", but, it does show you a different side of this issue and knowing the other side is always a positive thing.
Liz, Dallas, TX,
Poor Alison...
Catherine, London,
I feel shocked, intrigued and fascinated by this article. I have a sister that I'm extremely close to but not in that way. This woman is very brave to be so open but her logic is so easy to follow that it's not hard to see where her courage comes from. Wel done The Times.
Seb, London
Seb, London, UK
i think, it depends from person to person. For some it could be a great idea to start it with your brother or sister on whome you can trust blindly. But for others, it could be a big no-no. Also, cultural values and tradition also plays an important role. And for me, its a big no-no.
vishesh sharma, new delhi, india
I can not believe that this woman was given any space in this paper to share her story like its part of some Harlequin romance novel. INCEST IS ABUSE and it doesn't matter if you are close in age or not. It is about respecting and understanding boundaries. This gives out a terribly WRONG message!
m, london, uk
Everyone needs to remember that incest is not a normal relationship (despite what many here have said) and children born from incest can have very serious genetic abnormailities. Has society reached a point where anything goes? A person should stop those thoughts LONG before they progress to sex!
Cindy, Canberra, Australia
When I saw the title ..I really got interested to read it because it's really unusual..after reading it, it broadens my mind when it comes to relationship. This was such a nice article! Keep it up.
Jennifer Veloso, Tabango, Philippines
What's so sad here is that the author doesn't see how sexually bonding with her brother has warped her own preparation for a husband. She admits that her expectations are very high, and the fact that her brother was willing not to marry Alison is a huge signal. This will continue to effect them.
Suzanne, Rochester, USA
To Amanda, London. If a young girl wants to experience sex then she should. Maybe not with her sibling, but still. There's nothing wrong w. women liking sex! Men like it and if you didn't make girls feel bad about it, they would enjoy it. Shame on Amanda for making women feel guilty and ashamed.
David Ihse, Lund, Sweden
It's very courageous to talk about this, and I found the article well written. Well done ! Not something easy to talk about but by reading the various reactions, it's clearly something people's deeply interested in.
Quentin, Singapore, Singapore
Its pefectly normal. If you're from Norfolk.
Alex, London,
Of course everyone is caught in their reactions and there is no real thought given to it. On a basic level, we can see that sexual attraction is often compartmentalized from other aspects of a relationship. When this is the case, it's no wonder that nothing else matters. (no more room!)
Eric, San Francisco,
I found this article rather 'Mills & Boon' in its writing style & therefore rather difficult to believe. However, that said, if it IS true then sorry, but incest is wrong whether consentual or not. To say they're hurting no-one is false, they're hurting themselves & future partners. Time will tell.
Kim, Penzance, United Kingdom
As many times as it is listed in the article, I believe that the purpose of it being written IS to alleviate guilt.
A guilty conscience signs off on a confessionary article.
Justin Guerin, Chatham, Canada
Urgh. It still sounds a lot like abuse to me. Young girls often want to experience sex, but men who take them up on this are exploiting their naivety for their own ends. If it's your own brother, it's a hell of a lot worse.
Amanda, London,
next they'll be running a progressive article about beastiality.
brian, Colorado, USA
What's progressive about accepting incest? What if they had had a child, with all the consequent hurt to family or elevated risk of congenital disorder to the child?
Some libertarians need to stop banging on about religionists and grow up..
John, London, UK
Weird, and i'm not sure i totally believe this either, i mean commiting incest with your brother! Im sure you were curious at that age, but in my opinion that just goes too far,as if the parents found out it would ruin that relationship, and also if it got to the wife. Unacceptable and Unbelievable
Dr. Jake McAvery, London, UK
I thought I'd seen and heard it all and nothing could possibly shock me anymore. However, I think that am I am going to be sick.
Well done.
Davey Cooper, Grenoble.,
What has led her to tell the truth, esp when her brother will be recognized by the story, given the number of clues? She obviously misses him. This alone is enough to doom their subsequent married lives.
And if incest were to be allowed, for one happy girl, there would be 10000 unhappy ones...
john, southend, england
Whilst I don't advocate incest I don't see who they were harming (obviously when they were single) both were consenting, used precuations and stopped when they got into committed relationships. As long as they didn't run the risk of procreation there's no harm done.
Well done for publishing this
Jennifer, Chorley, Lancashire
Everyone just assumes that the reason that incest is considered to be "bad' is because of the dangers of "in-breeding".. One of the largest factors that has socialised us to believe it is bad is that Roman Catholic church forbid marrying family to prevent the consolidation of power and property!
John F, Durban, South Africa
excellent, very interesting article.
i suppose its conceivable that at that age this sort of thing could occur, i just find it strange that this sort of sexual tension wasnt focussed on other, non-family targets.
Very good read though,.
Siraj Wahid, birmingham,
"Crude animal behavior over Godliness". And yet "God" created all animals. Without having eaten from the Tree of Knowledge these animals commit activities that the Religious Right finds obscene among humans. If "God" created these animals, everything they do is also a creation of "God".
Dan, Miami, United States of America
All the arguments that suggest this is correct could also be used to justify having sex with a parent, grandparent, offspring etc, as long as it is consensual between adults... how crazy the world would be!!!
..off on a date tonight with my Gran....
Sarah & Steve, Warrington, England
Christ on a bike. I'm all for progressive attitudes to sex, etc. But this is just plain and simple not right. Simply put the genetic coding of siblings is too close to run the risk of procreation. Besides the fact that its pretty warped anyway. I love my sisters, but this????
Each to their own.
Sean, Dublin, Ireland
A very surprising and interesting article. More interesting is the reaction of the religionists, from Ali in Iran to Kacey in Nashville, they are convinced that their beliefs in invisible friends gives them the right to categorically state what is right and what is wrong. I say it's wrong to judge.
Jacques Francis, Westcott, UK
A drawback is that there will always be a dark secret in any subsequent marriage. Daniel and his sister have spoilt each other for any future spouse.
Arneson Stidgeley, London,
I have problems believing a word of this article. Even if true, the problem with incest (the hint that the relationships of both brother and sister with others are severely prejudiced because of the incest) emerges clearly from this 'incest can be good thing' scribble. My only real reaction is: YUK!
mark, ibrag, malta
I think it's great, I too had arelationship with my sister that was more than just emotional. Go free...
Phil, London, UK
I can already hear the scorners snickering, but the Bible clearly tells us that incest and bestiality are wrong. Anyone who thinks that this article is a wonderful breakthrough -approving of incest - is choosing hedonism over holiness, and crude animal behavior over Godliness.
David, Baltimore, MD, USA
This lady may be interested in Penelope Lively#s book, Moon Tiger, which has a brother-sister relationship as part of an amazing woman's life story.
Amy, Hebden Bridge,
"Alison" has a right to know her new husband only married her conditionally when his sister refused to commit exclusively to a sexual relationship. Or is truth not considered secular progressive PC? If most women knew their boyfriends had no problem with incest they'd ditch & would not marry them.
Cathy Hansen, Ruckersville, Virginia, USA
Incest is perceived as wrong because of potential genetic deficiencies, which kicks in the need for survival of the species. I personally find little fault in consensual family sexuality besides the unfortunate reaction and emotional scarring from outside the relationship. It is not "sick".
Julie, Portland, USA
So many things in our lives we are told how to do because someone else feels thats the way its supposed to be. Why can't a person be who they are if not hurting anyone? Why do people have to hide who they truly are to make someone else happy?
Richard Cranium, Somewhere,
Very interesting Article. Well done TimesOnline for publishing
Tristan Roper, auckland, new zealand
Blinkered religious and moral bigotry aside, this relationship was a positive thing for the author and her brother. It doesn't HAVE to be right for everyone to have been right for them.
You are more honest, more self-actualised, and freer of the shackles of prejudice than most. Thanks for sharing
C, Sydney, Australia
The Adam and Eve question is a good one. Religious apologetics will claim it to be symbolic - the excuse used for any part of religion that is now seen as embarrasing or thoroughly unacceptable
Tristan Roper, auckland, new zealand
Human behaviour is not innate, it is learned, that is why people, depending on their environment n circumstances, can learn to enjoy all types of fetishes n sexual permutations ! However for a Christian there is right n wrong sex ! Abraham married is half-sister Sarah n it wasnt wrong(sinful) b/c the LAW had not yet been given. Once d Law was handed down to Moses, right n wrong behaviour is spelled out. For Christians Acts 15:28-29 summarizes all d OT customary n ritual laws and Matthew 22:37-40 summarizes d 10 commandments.
carmine cicchiello, adelaide, australia
I think I'm going to puke.
J.F., Singapore,
...I don't think it is wrong, it is just something I would never do.
For those who are saying, "It is wrong", that's absurd. Can you determine what really is right and wrong? If that's what you want to do, then go ahead. There is no right or wrong.
Romel Salcedo, Hemet,
This is soon to be like Sodom and Gommora. As long as the parties involve is ok, then the society should accept it? You forgot that you are not living in an island where you can set your own rules. Legally this is wrong and there's a reason why law is put in place. The world is getting more crazy.
Kenny, KL, Malaysia
I predicted this more than ten years ago, when the first murmurs advocating same-sex marriage were beginning to turn into full-fledged cries by those on the political left.
I wrote: "the slippery slope will then lead to the same advocates pioneering the official recognition of polygamy and incest."
Dante, Gosford, Australia
The problem with incest is here unwittingly confessed: an irregular intimacy with "Daniel" has spoiled her for a love with the "other." The theologian John Chrysostom explains: "So that humans would not confine love to their own clan, God forbade incest..." Same argument against homoeroticism!
E. Humphrey, Pittsburgh, PA, USA
Yes, love is love. But there's just something sad and wrong about Daniel having this secret over his wife. Maybe she would not have wanted him had she known. There is something false and damaging about it.
cat, NYC,
Can't explain Adam and Eve. One thing I am convinced is that such relationship is against nature. Just simply look at the high percentage of birth defect as a result. 'Sigh!'
seam, london, UK
If this is not wrong, then mother-son, father-daughter sexual relations can't be wrong either. Sometimes i wonder why we were given reasoning faculties... d-u-u-u-h-h...
S K Lin, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
The sex was great? I guess that makes it ok then. Wonder when that will be used as a defence in a court case between a minor and an adult? BTW for all those of you saying as long as it's all between consenting adults how naive to think you can draw the line. On what authority?
steve mac, Perth, Australia
I think an article like that should not be published. There is nothing to gain to read such a degrading story. The news paper is very much to blame, it perverts the mind of the impressionable readers.
Nancy, bedford, England
I loved the openness.
society makes us hide many sides of us.
this story appeals to the sides of me i hide due to norms.
it makes me feel good about my secrets.
i hope u will be able to be open enough with your new partner to share this with him.
thanks alot u brave person :-)
Eyal, Tel-Aviv, Israel
Foster parents have sex with former foster kids in Great Britain. There is no great reluctance on the part of the British state to turn a blind eye to it, and ditto this newspaper. They've declined to do the top 100 abuse of trust arrests.
Gregory Carlin, Belfast, UK
Go ahead, have all the incestuous sex you please just remember that children born of incestuous relations often have many genetic problems/disease resulting from a lack of greater genetic variation which has helped humans evolve to protect itself from many disease and increase the life expectancy.
James, New York, United States
Incest is bad, and am surprised some people have the guts to support it as being "harmless". I guess someone is going to be praised for having a "harmless, intimate" sexual relationship with their pet.
God have mercy!
David Kimbowa, Kampala, Uganda
hi it seams that in the west evrything is getting worse and worse it is possible that next time we read an article that somebody have had sex with his mother ,then here we go many ignorant people will coment for you that is very intresting ? and is freedom
some how it seams you teaching the same.
ali, tehran, islamic rep of IRAN
Is this really the Times?
larry, Stratford upon Avon,
I've thought about incest in depth before, prompted by the reading of Success by Martin Amis (a cracking reading and contains some brilliant discussions of incest.)
There's a lot of pseudo-science bandied around in relation to this topic. My conclusion is that me must be weary of any narrative.
Adorno, Frankfurt, Germany
So does that mean a sexual relationship with parent and child is now acceptable? This relationship is still not right.
Amy, New York City, USA
Interesting article, I don't know yet what to think of it.
However, I do not get why people declare that "if it feels good" is not a good moral guide. Perhaps they don't understand that it's about both parties feeling good ? The Jews didn't feel good about being killed so it doesn't apply to hitler.
peter, Brussel, Europe
My mother has always been besotted by her 10years younger brother and I've always wondered whether they've been lovers or not.He lived in her flat from the time he was14 and she24 till when she married 10years later (soon to divorce).
Never been attracted to my younger halfbrother myself: he stinks
Carol, Bristol,
Ahr, but it is a wise decision by the monster called Society to discourage incestual relationships, for the ensurance of the survival of our species.
For any offspring that could be born from such a communian would be much more likely to have dangerously mutated, degenerated and weakened genetics.
Amber, UK,
school, work, marriage, they seem to have turned out to be incredibly normal by western standards. The only issue I see if the relationship had continued would be raising children. genetics might cause problems and explaining the family to an adopted child might not be simple.
Heather, Tucson, AZ, USA
Absolutely wonderful article. It's beautifully written and so sincere. People would be so lucky to find someone with whom they can share every part of their life with--sibling or not. Many times our own family serves to judge us worse for being ourselves more so than any stranger would.
Lillic, Centerville,
Read "The God of Small Things' by Arundhati Roy. There are all kinds of "Love Laws," but that doesn't mean they are right.
Cassie, NJ, USA
I don't see the "love" in this story, sorry. I just don't see it. I see lust and teen drinking, but that's about it. You're all depraved inbred freaks.
John, London,
I think it's great that there are people like Daniel and his sister. It's high time we throw down the shackles of "forbidden love!" Love is love! As long as the 2 people are consenting and adult, I think anyone should be allowed to marry. 2 men, 2 women, 3 women and 1 man. Leave people alone.
Brandon, Ballwin,
Who are we to say who can and can't love? Why should people who love each other be restricted from doing so all because their DNA is similar? They never chose to be siblings! That's fate. Superficial factors like family relation should have no place in preventing love. Live and let live!
Brandon, Ballwin,
My moral compass isn't based on antiquated notions of morality. It's based on harm. If someone is unintentionally harmed or abused by your actions, it's probably wrong. If it's consensual, have at it. There's no reason to base moral judgments on anything else. That's just absurd.
Brandon, Ballwin,
There is no moral dilemma here for me. As I read this article, what strikes me most is the reality in the writer's words.
The relationship is real. Thoughts are descriptive and unbound by the social construct.
Honesty is what we need. Those who assume they know all the answers hurt us the most.
André, Seattle, UDA
What interest does the state have in legislating morality?? Not everyone agrees that incest or being gay are wrong like they do generally with rape and murder. If it's consensual, it should not be illegal. Victimless crimes are NOT crimes. What good does it do to lock them up? Is prison time really gonna help?
Brandon, Ballwin,
Its certainly an interesting story,but my thoughts are that just because it feels good,doesnt make it right.Although they didnt hurt anyone,this story could have easily turned out differently,not just because of social prejudice,but for them emotionally.Biologically speaking tho,nature says it wrong
Hans, London,
I used to be very much against incest, and then I thought about it some more and realized the reasons against it are absurd. There's no reason to say it's wrong. Sure, it may be irresponsible for siblings to have kids considering there's a higher chance of their children being disabled, deformed or retarded, but there's also a chance they won't be. It's not exactly 100% chance.
Brandon, Ballwin,
There are good reasons civilizations have long rejected incest. It will lead to genetic mishaps and propogation of bad genes, not to mention all the trouble it causes within families.
Theresa, Suffolk, VA,
Plus, think about it. If you're real close with a sibling of similar age and grow up together, and you both fall in love, wouldn't there a lot higher chance that the marriage would actually WORK, for a change? We have over 50% divorce rates between unrelated people in this country.
Brandon, Ballwin,
The people most against incest, polygamy and homosexuality are the kind who think life revolves around sex. They seem to think we should be excessively concerned with the matter. I don't think so. Life is about much more. Embrace life in all its aspects and forget those stupid taboos.
Brandon, Ballwin,
Why should she have to feel the least bit guilty? They didn't have any children, which would have been the only reason to charge irresponsibility.
Ann Garrison, San Francisco, U.S.A.
Ironic that this woman's supporters are all about "individualism" only when it comes to her personal sexual behavior; but when she needs psychiatric counseling they'll be screaming for society to pay up! You can't have it both ways, folks!
Mark, Chicago, USA
"Great to see the world is open and talking about things that most Americans would rather shove into a closet, lock it up, and forget about it."
What a surprise turning an incest story into American bashing. Faulkner was writing about incest in the 1920s! Brits censor this more than Americans.
Y. Tolmachev, Cleveland, Ohio,
I can't tell you how many times people have fessed up to me about having consensual sex with siblings as adolescents, either gay or straight. They seem nice, productive members of society, but even so, it grosses me out. But whatever floats their boats....
J. Studowski, Milwaukee, Wisconsin
Gene from Park Hills, Please, let's not turn this into an American bashing fest. There have been as many cons written about this article by nonAmericans as Americans, and vice versa. American society openly discusses everything to the point it's nauseating. Where do you live? A cave?
Nancy Lederhouse, Phoenix, Arizona,
I can understand people saying "who cares, it's her business" and not wishing to pass judgment, but to praise her actions as "beautiful" is a bit off the deep end, dont' you think?
Uranda Jefferson, Washington, DC,
I love all my brothers and sisters, to whatever degree we are related, blood or not.
Sexual attraction and intimacy is not something to be bound by rules and definitions. Institutions have taught us to restrict pleasure, but I think that practice only causes problems.
A beautiful love story.
cliff, tucson,
It is very interesting and predictable that many interpret this as a new phenomenon and a sign of a deterioration in moral values.
Human nature is as old as human nature and if anything there less incest now than at any time in history but now we are experiencing the moment when it can be discussed.
simon p, London,
How many of the European royal family lines were completely incestuous? Most of them were considered in line with God. What I find disgusting is that people immediately judge and believe something must be "wrong" in the family if this is happening. Good article
Al, Midwest, USA
I think it is sick and completely imoral. To have a fufilling relashonship with a sibling you dont have perform sexual actions with them. My brother and i love eachother beyond belief and would die for eachother, but nothing sexual has ever crossed my mind. Where in the bible does it say thou.....
Kate, Tryon, NC, US
I can't understand all the comments about this being a "victimless" act. Their relationship is only "victimless" if it is kept secret, especially from the brother's wife and the author's future relations. Do you think there would still be no "victims" if they found out?
Bill, Boston, USA
....thou may lay with thy own blood? Not only is that wrong but when did premarital sex become acceptable. I am 17, a virgin, who has refused sex with basically half the football team, and plan to be until marrige. Sex should be something special that you do with someone you truly love(& married to)
Kate, Tryon, NC, US
I see I only have so much room, that's a little disappointing. Either way your story is very moving, and it's not wrong at all. Caring for someone blood or not is still caring. I mean with the whole Adam and Eve thing aren't we all blood.
Anyways your story is very moving. Love is love right?
Erika, Pismo,
Wow...wonderful article. A bit of a shocker for me, but then again my American morals were formed by people who lived through the Depression. Great to see the world is open and talking about things that most Americans would rather shove into a closet, lock it up, and forget about it.
Gene Bannister, Park Hills, United States
I find it both humorous and sad that many of those speaking out against this article fail to mention the underlying reasons against incest.
I likewise find it humorous and sad that many of those supporting this article seem to not grasp the social consequences of this taboo.
Keep on, all. Keep on.
SU, Orange County, CA, USA
I cannot believe people are trying to justify this. Love is amazing, but the love you have have for your sibling is different and should never transgress to a sexual relationship. I think it's wrong - whatever next...is the Austrian's individual going to be justified soon?
INCEST IS WRONG
Simon, Kent, England
honestly... it really makes me upset and disgusted that anyone could be sooooo delusional to think this is okay or normal. its NOT OKAY. it NEVER WILL BE. and we will never live in a world where incest is accepted. she should be ashamed of herself.
Kacey, Nashville, USA
This reads like a work of fiction. I've never thought a mutual sexual relationship between siblings existed, and it repulses me in a powerful way. It is disgusting and draws an immediate feeling of wrongness akin to murder. Perhaps it is the flippant, schoolgirl-esque manner in which it is written
Dave, Knoxville, USA
Whilst I do not believe that incest is acceptable, I think it is only a very lucky few that can have had a relationship that appears to be based on such deep mutual affection and respect for each others feelings. I'm sure it is more common than any of us is aware.
SH, Hampshire, UK
"There is no love that does not reproduce our childhood stereotypes' Freud warned us long back. The main consequence of these early childhood incest relationship is that it will be at the expense of their future family life, since both will find it hard to erase these memories from their minds.
Mathew, Mumbai, India
I personally don't think there is any problem with incest. In the olden days it was incredibly common as there simply weren't as many people available. The only reason people stopped marrying within the family is that there was no longer a need to as the population expanded.
Lara, Burlington, Canada
Did you ever get a blood test? Wouldn't it be a trip if one of you were secretly adopted or had another father?
Victoria, Miami, USA
well, lets see.. smoking is legal, that kills people. alcohol is legal, that often results in death. Driving, skydiving, one-night-stands...
Long as the relationship is equal and no one's reproducing, this seems safer than well, a lot of stuff you can do.
Hal, Trenton, USA
I had a sexual relationship with my sister off and on from the time we were kids to our mid-20s. Our family moved a lot, and she was the only friend I never had to say goodbye too. This article really touched me, because it is exactly how I feel. I hope that family love will someday be accepted.
JP, California, USA
Incest is only a word. I too thought this was a highly charged article and beautifully written. I have no real opinions on the right or wrong of it all. I guess they both moved on and it will always be there between them - but hidden as only it can be in this judgemental world.
Valerie Redmore, Dubai, UAE
The supportive comments aimed at this article's protagonist are as disturbing as the article itself. Incestuous relations are wrong in every conceivable way and I am genuinely shocked at those who don't condemn such revolting and subnormal behavior.
Stop the world, I want to get off.
Paulie, Loughborough, Leicestershire
This is a ticking time bomb inside the family. If this should emerge the family would be destroyed, the brother's marriage may not survive while he himself is vulnerable to extremely serious allegations.
Whether right, wrong, mature or unhealthy - its pure poison in its potential consequences.
Mark, Berkhamsted,
I agree with the article. There is nothing wrong with incest if both parties feel comfortalbe with each other. Unfortunately, in our society, it will always seem abhorrent just like an infinity of other things so these sort of things have to be kept in secret.
Dima, Toronto, Canada
I too am hurt by how post lengths have been shortened. Couldn't we at least, like other sites, have a feature whereby we can read all the posts on one page? Makes the "search" function easier.
Eugene, heidelberg, germany
My best friend learned that her husband was having ongoing sexual relations with his sister and that he had fathered two of her children. It's nothing less than destructive for all involved.
Heidi, Miami, FL (formerly UK),
Same-sex incest during adolescence is more common than people realize; however, when we hear stories such as this, involving heterosexual incest, it's disturbing because offspring could result and this is not in the best interest of anyone.
Harmony, Davidsonville, Maryland
I think the core issue is not the incest itself, but dealing with the attachment/comparisons afterwards, as you have touched on. This is the same problem as any premarital sex with someone who is not marriage material... Long-term hot sex with someone you can't marry means a lot of pain and longing
Peter, Boston, USA
A beautiful, honest and from the heart article. I could not begin to imagine the emotion you felt when writing it.
James, Bournemouth, England
There are very few cultural universals (I am speaking as an anthropoloogist) -- but the taboo against incest is one of them. A million years of human evolution can't be wrong. I sympathise with your situation, but this is sick, and you are delusional about its effect on your life. Get some help.
Jane, London,
consensual incest is a result of profound family troubles, and the more the siblings accept their relationship the more deep the troubles probably lie. I feel sorry that the writer does not recognize she needs help.
Tammy, Vancouver, BC, Canada
It was really nice to read indeed. I think the lady is very lucky to have such a fantastic relationship with her brother.
Congratulations!
Jordi, London,
Personally I find the whole thing revolting. But, just because I feel that way, doesn't mean they should. To each his own. No one got hurt. No deformed children were created. Two people brought each other comfort. Is it outside society's norms? You bet. Is that wrong? For me yes.. For them .. No..
James, Queen Charlotte, Canada
I hate to be an arm-chair psychologist, but normal functioning people just don't slip into incestuous affairs. Sorry!
M. Luo, Seattle, Wash., United States
I'm a very liberal person especially when it comes to the various views of "sexual morality" in the world.
But incest? You're setting you and your sibling up to be victims when you have to move on, not to mention risks of pregnancy.
It opens too many doors to more exploitative forms of incest.
David, Berkeley, USA
What a wonderful story. Thanks for sharing! Today I am a little wiser and happy for it
John, New York,
I think if you conducted a medical exam on these two siblings you would find they most likely suffer from of mild form of autism. Those with autism usually lack sexual inhibition and have moral equivalency issues.
Peter Levinaux, New Orleans, USA
As repulsive as others may find this, I think this is simply a two-step escalation past the 'cousing I was attracted to at the family reunion.' I don't think there's any problem here, other than the constant time spent around the person of your affections
Matt, Santa Cruz, CA, United States
Now here is a good case for the good old English 'bring backs', starting with:-
1) the birch
2) the stocks
3) religious education
4) Enoch Powell
5) Margaret Thatcher
6) Tony Blair
7) Mother Teresa.
Incest, like Absinth, though intensely pleasurable,cannot be justified in a civilised society.
Rev. Fr. Jonathan Obliseque, London,
While I won't judge the two of them for their relationship (sexual or otherwise) I find it very sad that neither of them will ever be able to have a truly honest relationship with anyone? How can you possibly be happy and honest with the person your with if you're thinking about your sibling instead
Maggie, Toronto,
Well, I'm not one for moral relativism. Incest is wrong. A mature concept of right and wrong involves the understanding that all that feels good is not right. Incest is wrong regardless of individual feelings on the topic. Sorry. I would never harm an incestuous couple, but no "okay" will I give.
Charlie, Phoenix, Arizona, USA
I once went swimming with dolphins at an acquarium in Florida. I was promptly sexually asaulted by one of the dolphins. It was all natural, the guide assured me. Natural, yes, but disturbing nonetheless!
Daryl H., Bend, Oregon, USA
What a beautiful story! I'm glad that you two have remained friends afterward. I'm also glad you chose to have your own love affairs outside of the family. Incest was accepted once upon a time, and may be accepted again, but cheers to each of you finding love outside your immediate gene pool.
Anna, Montreal,
Of all the comments, it is refreshing to note that there were only a couple of judgemental, fearful ones. It was a wonderfully honest account of what was real for two people! It happened! Humanity is amazing and evolving-as Fred from Bristol said, years ago it would have been about homosexuality!
Ellegee, Purbeck, UK
There's a yard or two between homosexuality and incest, Fred -- not sure the Incest Pride movement will ever be allowed to march down Whitehall. I only had brothers and am not gay, but since reading McEwan's Cement Garden and I've often wondered how prevalent it is, and whether it's such a big deal.
Richard Hallward, Warsaw, Poland
Jodie Foster in Hotel New Hampshire (1984) has a day of sex with her screen brother Rob Lowe. In Playboy in the 70s a surprising letter to the editor from an older woman who sd she'd had a long term relationship with her father now ended but not regretted. Even for then, different.
stu, london,
Whole thing reads like a Penthouse Forum letter to me - that said, I wouldn't have minded had my sister been close enough to my age and such foolery had occurred. The casual experience certainly would have been a favor to my first girlfriend.
Joe, Denver, USA
That was really nice to read. Good, that you did not let yourself be discouraged from experiencing something so lovely through a society standard. I do not think what you did is disgusting at all! No victim, no crime. And as contraception was taken seriously there is nothing anyone could fault.
Lilia, Hamburg, Germany
To Akhmed Amood... don't know what community you're talking about but it DOESN'T happen all the time and brothers and sisters do not marry each other to keep the 'wealth' in the family.
This is just wrong whatever community you're from.
I just hope your sisters don't read what you have put!!
Sid Dhuny, London,
This is . . . rather unusual, to say the least. Usually among people (and many animals where the parents raise their offspring), there is a kind of psychological mechanism to deter intra-family sex, but not in this case. Fascinating, although literally a maze of potential ethical issues.
John, San Diego, USA
I used to say to my students "Imagine the most weird or perverted behaviour that you can. Somewhere in the world, or at some time in the past, that behaviour is considered, or would have been considered, as normal." Let us each behave according to what we know to be right, and not judge others.
David Hooper, Chafford Hundred, UK
I see nothing wrong in your relation, however I think if it had come into the light it would have ruined what you had. Better to guard your memories and close friendship, and move on, give another guy the chance now.
richc, alicante,
To Fred in Bristol; Just how is it "progress"? Is brothers having sex even more progress?
Bill Peter, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
I hate to go all Dr. Drew, but there must have been some kind of trauma or neglect for both siblings to seek solace in this secret relationship. Deep feelings of not belonging, of no one else being able to understand...How unfortunate they will never be able to be 100% honest with their spouses.
Corrin, California, USA
I don't know about this. Certainly for some people it seems to be (as the article states) an "equal relationship" between same-age siblings - but then there are comments like "A fantastic article. It seems that the author has a genuinely progressive attitude towards incest"....which is troubling.
Mia, London, uk
Well said Rob from Australia:
"These two have loved, harmed no one, considered maturely and moved on. Well done them."
The world is full of terrible things that are institutionalized and accepted. This isn't one of those bad things.
DaveC, Toronto, Canada
I cannot believe someone could ever have those feelings about their own sibling. Your family are those whom you need for constant, unconditional love and support, and throwing a sexual relationship into the mix is not only genetically but socially dangerous.
Rob, Cardiff, UK
In her words it's the opening paragraph which shows how damaging this has been for her. Right or wrong - for reasons that should be obvious, or reasons the rest of us can't understand - her brother has moved on, but now near 30, she still has some envy - and hasn't or can't move on.
Mr. H., Utah, U.S.A.
this story reminds me of 2 cases, where siblings had been separated , or placed in families, never seeing each other but as adult members of a family, wished to be reunited again.Was their shared physical attraction genetical? In Austria, he went to jail as an incestuous brother who isfather to 3
catherine, London, UK
This is a breath of fresh air. I had a relationship of sorts with my sister when I was age between 14 and 17. As a woman myself I always had pangs of guilt and we have never discussed it since, but It helped me in my own relationships later in life. We are now both happily married with children.
Kelsey, Yorkshire, UK
Is Fred of Bristol in his right mind? Incest is wrong Fred - what next - father/daughter, mother/son - you call that progress? It's degeneration and severely damaged children born of incestuous relationships tell us that. Look at the children of closely related Royal families in the past!
mandy, Bristol, UK
Why does society consider it a sin. There used to be a dowry system and a man would lose that the added status a marriage could bring if if his daughter married his son. It's all very outdated now. I am sure incest of all types has always been prevalent in family life though I haven't experienced it
emma, kent, uk
I'd be interested to know whether opionions would change if their own children were incestuous?
Alice, Forest of Dean,
I'm not saying I think this is right, but all you academics who are claiming this is 'wrong' and 'abnormal' need to look at the academic facts.
In the past... along time a go incest was perfectly normal within tribal cultures.
there is nothing more unnatural than man made society
Irwin, Eastbourne,
If a fifteen year-old boy started a sexual relationship with a 14-year-old girl because he was drunk, would it be okay? This is a strange story - if they weren't related at all, we'be saying it's a shame the girl couldn't let her first love go. Wouldn't we?
Michelle , Long Beach, CA, USA
Disablitiy may take gens to appear in inbred children but to run the risk of producing a child (concraception is never 100%) who will grow up to be ridiculed and harassed by those who don't see incest in this rose-tinted, fairytale-romance way is irresponsible. Sometimes love must be sacrificied.
Margot, Fife,
Our society's ethical erosion takes another confident stride towards the finish line. Wake up people.
Robin, London, UK
Genetics doesn't dictate it's 'sick' and is incapable of passing judgement. Nature will go on the way it always has whether society frowns on things or not. Our continued existence on this planet is no more important or guaranteed than any other species. An honest sensitively written piece.
Dee, Porlock, England
The 1991 British film Close My Eyes, starring Alan Rickman, Clive Owen and Saskia Reeves, explores an incestuous brother-sister relationship with compassion and sensitivity.
Tariq, Toronto, Canada
The key issue here is the similarity of ages and the consensual nature of their relationship. I don't have a brother but I have often thought that I would have 'experimented' with one during the fragile teen years, maybe not to the extent of full sex. But it would have to be strictly 'a phase'.
Isadora, London,
I think what she describes is fine. I feel people have narrow minds becuase their experience of life 7 people revolves aound their own comfort zone. Are they really their own opinions or those of the Bible or whatever other religious 'How to live your life, think and feel for Dummies' guides.
John, Manchester,
Did I just read the word Progressive.....? Don't you mean recessive..........And apologies but the excuse "It takes generations of inbreeding to show in the deformaties of the child" this is sadly untrue especially in full blooded siblings, all it takes is for them both to posess a recessive gene...
Karen , London, England
Not going to argue about the whole issue of incest, but if you think about it is all about the community and the fact that it's not accepted anywhere (one would think). I am sure a couple thousands ago, this wouldn't be that strange. One shouldn't judge though as these situations are very difficult
John, Philadelphia,
When I was youger, I had a crush on a cousin. It soon subsided and things were OK. Some men will 'follow through' and have physical relations knowing it's wrong.
It's for the man to control himself.
John, London,
It's not progressive to be accepting of insest. Life-long loving relationships with family members should supercede sexual desires. This person thinks she has escaped without the negative effects of incest. She hasn't.
Steve, Danbury, USA
Someone pointed out it takes generations of inbreeding for 'deformities'. As the population grows we are still all related and now there are so many extended families and adopted babies now of child bearing age, sperm donors, etc who knows how many close family members are innocently cohabitating.
emma, Kent, UK
I totally agree with Jane from Manchester. It is their life and their business. x
anna, london,
Really interesting story. However, didn't you ever consider that you might have disabled children? No matter what precautions you took you could have had them.
Personally , I would never sleep with my brother. I am a woman of morals .
christine panagoulias, athens, GREECE
It certaintly was an interesting read, however i am not sure if i agree with it. the idea of closeness between family i can relate to but not sex! it seems, for me, the idea is too taboo, but nonetheless i have respect in the author for sharing her "socially unacceptable" view on the subject.
thomas , newcastle under lyme, England
There is often a closeness between a brother and younger sister
at a certain age.
It doesn't always result in full intercourse but the telepathy may cause resentment/jealousy in later life with sister-in-laws and then choices have to be made.
Not everyone has the intelligence to let go.
Claire Elizabeth, Houston, USA
For those that don't understand why a lot of us view it as "sick" or "disgusting" is probably because we have siblings and would rather put a bullet in our head than even think about having a sexual relationship with them. It's probably for that reason that I wonder at how factual the story is.
Rachel, Alabama, USA
It actually takes generations of inbreeding to produce serious disabilities in the child, if they had had a child it could be deformed in the same way anybodies child could, but odds are it wouldn't.
Although it's not something I'd do, I think calling it 'sick' or 'wrong' is an overreaction.
Jane, Manchester, England
There has to be a line drawn here. Otherwise, what's next having sex with your father or mother seems right and no regret? Genetics had already sounded the first warning.
Oliver, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
I cannot see what right any other person has to judge these two, there are only two emotions in humans: love or fear, if you judge someone else what do you fear?
Peter M , Chester, England
This has happened with a number of friends of mine in the jewish community. It would never be discussed publicly as it would be thought of as bringing shame on our quite religious community. But it does happen and, though not common, is not uncommon either. It's kind of an open secret.
James, London, UK
yep!!!!jeez...very singular n bizarre.....yet i appreciate the frankness
Ravi, Erode, India
It is a tragedy of Greek proportions when a brother and sister fall in love, it is futile, society won't accept it. Nature just doesn't want this kind of thing going on either, and usually it doesn't seem to happen, fortunately.
RB, Aberdeen,
Incest is bad no doubt about that, but is it any worse than say men who marry 15 yr old girls in Asian cultures, often they are related, that in my eyes is as bad or probably worse to be honest as its technically pedophilia. They were kids at the end of the day where were the parents?
Dan, London, UK
Great story. Never ever let anyone tell you what's right or wrong for you. I'm sick of society and it's stupid rules and ethics. If there's consent and you don't hurt anyone then it's nobody's business but yours. I can't believe that one of the comments compare that to Hitler! Jesus, people.
Kostas, Amsterdam,
I don't see how anyone could be disgusted by what consenting adults do in private if no one gets hurt (although it might have prevented or delayed the author having a "normal" relationship). the problem is that a line has to be drawn to protect those that this kind of relationship would harm.
jem, london, uk
one word: Disgusting
Sujeewa, Wembley,
I find it rather intesting. Our morals have simply gone down the drain!
Anabel, Nairobi, Kenya
The incest taboo is not innate - the legal prohibition and the social taboo itself vary from society to society. It is not a 'law' to prevent marrying in, it encourages marrying out - increasing the gene pool & widening social networks. Read Levi-Strauss; & also Engels (origins of the family)
Jeremy Rogers, Ilfracombe, Devon
As the author says : precautions were taken to prevent pregnancy. Therefore, the "genetics say you are evil" argument is absolutely irrelevant. And certainly hides some moral judgement.
Both were equal in the relation, both are happy now, none was abused, and yet, people say "urk !". Why ?
Thomas, Paris, France
Carol, Leicester - I agree, I can't believe this is for real. It reads in many parts like a deluded male fantasy of and idealised and romanticised view of incest.
Sian, Lancaster, UK
This article was written very well but i still can't see how insest can be a normal experience? It's interesting but made me feel rather sick. I guess it's a matter of opinion but i guarantee more then half of todays society would agree its wrong and sick. Even though in your opinion its right.
kimberly, Norfolk, England
I can understand why some people are vehemently against this but in some cultures it isnt so frowned upon. They havent had children and at least they have the emotional capacity to know how to love others and be happy. Mario Puzos The Family explores themes which has soem parity to this.
Sutu, London , UK
i really dont think ill ever undertsnd how you feel.
but fair play for telling the truth.
are you and your brother still having sex?
sasha.x, Bristol, England
Just because you it feels good doesnt make it right. I am sure crack feels good. As for guilt, ask Hitler if he felt guilty doing what he did.
"a genuinely progressive attitude towards incest ".
what next? A genuinely progressive attitude towards paedophillia?
AKS, Tirana,
Fortunately this pair were responsible enough to end it when necessary. However the hurt it would cause to their family, spouses if found out and the possibility of children makes it hard to sympathise with their situation. We can't always get what we want in life; such couples have to accept that.
Margot, Fife,
Societies and their morals can make life more difficult than it is. We are put into some many boxes: Incest, homosexuality, heterosexuality...Love has nothing to do with those terms and thats what we all long for: to love and be loved. So why should it matter if we find it from our siblings?
Sandhir Ruttun, London, UK
I cannot establish what my true feelings on this are... It is certainly nothing I would ever contemplate myself but is it fair to judge those who do not conform to the norm?
There is an interesting novel which described an incestuous relationship similarly - Middlesex by Jeffrey Eugenides.
Jem, Singapore, Singapore
These siblings have had a healthy relationship with each other. Incest is as old as the Bible. Why are people getting so worked up. It's not as though they were trying for children.
Kath, London,
I remember when homosexuality was frowned upon. Things change.
It won't be long before incest is regarded as "a game for all the family".
Roger Bingham, Lauzun, France
And the slow gradual erosion of morality in Britain continues unabated.
Tarek, Winnipeg,
Its been going on since the beginning of time, nothing new here, and incest has been around for a while as well, lol.
Sean, London,
They claim to have had the sensitivity and maturity to deal with their feelings for each other but can that be expected of their near and dear? Such as their respective partners who probably know nothing of their sexual relationship. I am trying hard to empathise but find it deceitful and wrong
MissM, Edinburgh,
John of London. So having sexual intercourse with a brother or sister is ok is it? Sick.
davey, Athens, Greece
We shouldn't be seduced by the tone of the article into thinking incest is "normal" in our society any more than homosexuality is but what we might achieve is an acceptance that both happen and have existed in societies for millenia.
Michael, London, UK
Her story is similar to mine. When I was eleven years old my brother touched me at night. I loved it and I reciprocated. Except I pretended to be asleep. He was 16, and my best friend. We did this for a few nights, and then we stopped. I am glad it ended there. But at no point did I feel abused.
Zakaria , mumbai, india
Great Story and very well written. I quite understand and think you both handled the relationship well. But I think this is the exception rather than the norm; it is only ok in such narrowly defined circumstance when both siblings are emotionally mature and responsible and there is no coercion.
Ade, Groningen, Netherlands
But what if such an incestuous relationship were to result in a pregnancy? Is a Father-Daughter, Mother-Son relationship also to be recognised and admired for its 'honesty'?
Jack, Perth, Western Australia, Australia
Panos, London - the perfect example of the kind of attitude this writer has clearly feared. Your comparison in the context of this article is ridiculous.
John, London,
The overtly romantic tone of this article does not disguise the fact that this woman is writing about having committed incest and she (and her brother) could be prosecuted. There are very good reasons for incest to be illegal. Just because something feels good does not make it right
sandyjones, London, UK
I don' know if I believe this story. The way its written seems very contrived to me.
Carol, Leicester, UK
God in heaven.
"a genuinely progressive attitude towards incest ".
Sigh. There really are some things so outrageous only an intellectual would take them seriously.
Stephen, Melbourne, Australia
There is a biological reason, the first and overriding one, why incest is frowned upon. You may not have felt "disgusted" about it but it is still abnormal. If society didn't frown upon this, the human race would either be extinct by now or would have stayed in the cro magnon era.
blossom, Paris, France
Luckily we don't need morals to tell us incest is sick. Genetics takes care of that.
Eugene, heidelberg, germany
An article written with sensitivity. One hopes they both remain happy in their respective relationships. I'm sure they will remain emotionally close for the rest of their lives.
Ian Burgess, Bristol,
Her story is almost identical to my own and I have no regrets as well. Very beautiful.
Sonya, Oregon, USA
There was a chance, thirty five years ago, that my sister and I might've had some sort of such relationship - in experimentation more than passion. We didn't - we looked and touched - and never really discussed. Years later we did chat - a bit - mainly to reassure no harm or blame. interesting...
Jon Chanter, London, UK
Brilliant article and well written aswell. It must have taken a lot of courage for the person to write this. Very touching
Sean , Pamplona, Spain
This is remarkable because of the way our moral context forces us to judge it. In ancient Greece/Rome, different kinds of sexuality were accepted. One social context is not necessarily any better than another. These two have loved, harmed no one, considered maturely and moved on. Well done them.
Rob, Sydney, Australia
And the slow gradual erosion of morality in Britain continues unabated.
Tarek, Winnipeg,
Wow! What a fascinating article. But I wonder if people really would be as censorious as you make out. I'm sure most people find the idea of sex with one of their siblings pretty horrible - but that needn't mean they find the idea of someone else having sex with theirs equally offputting!
David Space, London, UK
Adam and Eve, if the Genesis story is symbolic, would have been semi-identical twins, likely born to a cro-magnon female (anatomically identical to modern humans but without a soul made in the image of God).
See "The Song of Solomon" (Song of Songs) for further interesting notes.
Greg Lorriman, Leatehrhead, UK
A fantastic article. It seems that the author has a genuinely progressive attitude towards incest - this is to be highly commended.
It is only through airing experiences such as this that any progress in society can be made. 100 years ago it would have been an article on homosexuality...
Fred, Bristol, UK
Interesting, I've never seen such an approach to incest. The relationship you had with your brother seemed to be healthy, with both of you having responsibility. I wonder how many people actually experience something alike?
On a related note, it's a pity comments have to be so short...
Kay, Berlin, Munich