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"Not acceptable." The answer is instant. "Because I never want to be forbidden something. I find it unrealistic. Kundera said if we know that the one we love finds it hard to be true but we still want that from them, do we really want them? I don't ask Natalie to be true. It would hurt me if she said she had slept with another guy. This may sound hypocritical, but even in my own promiscuity I also have these emotional feelings."
And if someone said, "Kluun, it has been decreed that you must never again have an extramarital relationship. As opposed to just sex."
"That I would agree with." The answer is just as instant. "Human beings are not yet built for loving. It is very sadistic of our creator to connect sex and love. With pure sex, there is a way to deal with it emotionally. The moment love comes in, it's impossible."
I want to know what Natalie thinks about all this. I later seek her out in the kitchen, but Kluun is at my shoulder, and she makes an open-palmed gesture and says she is not very good at talking.
Just after his remarks about the inconvenience of how we are constructed (he doesn't specify gender here), he drops in the observation that he would not have had a relationship with Natalie if it had not been for his first wife's illness. Hence he might not now be married at least not to her and the non-fictional Rose would not have come into being.
This brings us to the first of two inconvenient truths in the Ray Kluun story. Inconvenient, that is, for particular sectors of his onlookers. In the book Danny can be faulted for many things indeed he faults himself for them. What he cannot be accused of is dereliction when the going gets rough. And does it get rough. First, and not least, he has to do something with his own rage when he believes that six crucial months have been lost to misdiagnosis (not true, he concedes, in the case of his late wife, since her cancer was of the inflammatory kind which moves straight into the blood cells and often does fatal damage before it is detected). Then he has to support her through the wild highs and lows of her treatment the elation of remission, the torment of chemo, the loss of denial, of hair, of beauty, of breast, of life hence of husband, daughter, home, the lot. In all this he has to go at her pace, put his own sense of impending bereavement on hold while she is the focus of everyone's sympathetic impulses. Oh yes, and there's no sex. Other husbands whom he sees at the hospital and then sees no longer do not acquit themselves as well as he.
In the end she makes that compressed and unimaginable journey unimaginable for a healthy 35-year-old or her partner to acceptance, valediction, serenity and beyond. There are some perilously funny exchanges about sleeping with other people. She has known about his affair (surprise surprise), but he has not known about a fling she had, and does not take the news brilliantly. The tone in the last few days before the end becomes close to festive. She even smiles and says, "No, I'm still here," when the doctor waits for the fluid to do its work and says, "She's gone now". But the rest of them are left, literally left behind holding the baby. And if you accept the extent of their bleakness you could say that her joyful embrace of death might just seem like a kind of adultery from where they're standing. Her mother, a heroic portrait of self-cancelling care, was hit by debilitating depression several months later. Kluun himself sold his business and took their daughter Eva off to Australia for several months to try to recover from the bereavement, and this is the subject of his follow-up book, The Widower. In the months immediately after his wife's death, his affair with Natalie dwindled to friendship, before being rekindled when she went out to join him in Australia. He does now say he believes that people live on, and although he stops himself a long way before describing the mechanics of such a thing, he also says that it is more than mere continuity in the memories of others.
"I'm not proud of what I did," he says, referring to his infidelity, "but when you have to give all your energy to something like this, in a part of your life when you should be having fun when you turn from a man into a nurse having to support someone physically, mentally, emotionally, then something else drops out. If all this positive energy is going out towards someone else, then an existing black side of you comes up. Psychologists agree. If you drink too much, then (in such a crisis) you might become an alcoholic. A guy I know collected stamps. When his wife got cancer, he became obsessed with stamp-collecting, and he never cheated on his wife. You always use your escape route. My weakness had been nightlife and women."
What he said earlier about accepting the flaws, including promiscuity, of the one you love may have sounded like the shabbiest casuistry going. I must admit I was deeply suspicious about it, and still am, on the grounds that it's a philanderer's charter posing as a radical understanding of unconditional love. Still, it would be presumptuous, wouldn't it, to lecture someone on such things when he and his dying wife so obviously fell ever more deeply in love even as the attributes which had first drawn him to her were snatched from her (and therefore from him) one by one by the cancer. "I know the uncomfortable thing about this book is that it confuses you," he says. "It would have been easier if they had divorced, wouldn't it? You hear a voice inside you that starts nibbling away at your existing moral code."
Yes, and that's the first inconvenient truth. The second one is causing similar confusion in the literary world. On the evidence of several reviews in the serious Dutch press, which seems obsessed with Kluun, it is important to despise him. For some critics he has become a symbol of all that is wrong with modern society. As a result they have unwittingly lionised him yet more. His "offences" range from profiteering from cancer to using quotes from popular song lyrics (Radiohead, U2 and Springsteen are favourites) for his chapter-head references. And he is also far too free with his soccer analogies and his references to the failed former manager of the national team, Louis van Gaal. Writing in the national daily newspaper Parool, the critic Arie Storm accused him of using "the powerless literary language of a 12-year-oldŠ better not to buy the book at all but put the money towards charity. I never want to hear from this Kluun again". But then Storm contradicts his own intentions by having a character, a dreadful writer called Kluun, appear in his novel, De Bruid en de Kogel (The Bride and the Bullet). Moreover, when he is asked to read an extract from this book, he often selects the passage with an unflattering portrait of this Kluun. All rather surreal. Needless to say, the subject is delighted by these free mentions, even if the book sells a fraction of his own.
But here too there are complications as Kluun, ever the marketing man, has played a central role in starting the regular Night Writers events, commercially sponsored at an Amsterdam club called the Panama. Here authors appear and read their work, getting paid more than they would at small literary occasions, and sharing the bill with stand-up comics and musicians.
The thing that throws his detractors is that some serious literary figures such as Tommy Wieringa, Joost Zwagerman and Morocco-born Hafid Bouazza have appeared there. So too has one of the city's most established novelists, A.F. Th. van der Heijden, author of a seven-volume saga about Amsterdam in the Seventies and Eighties. It has been hard for some to square this activity with the work of a first-time purveyor of snikkelproza, or DickLit.
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