Sally Brampton
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I am 34 and feel I’ve run out of time. Three long- term relationships ended because my partners were happy to live with me, but not interested in marriage or children (with me). Since the last one, I’ve felt very disillusioned. I haven’t been chatted up, let alone asked on a date. A generation ago, men were expected to make the first move, but that doesn’t happen any more. I’m facing the prospect of never finding love again and it hurts terribly. I have no passion for anything other than starting a proper family. It’s what I’m made for. I don’t see myself as weak or dependent, but I spend every day waiting for this person so I can start building the future I really want. I put myself out there and believe I’m approachable. I have good friends and try different challenges, but it’s dull. I’m fairly confident that I don’t appear desperate. Perhaps I do have a need for someone to trust and fall back on, but isn’t that natural? I don’t hate myself for wanting to love and be loved. The thought of online or speed-dating is too depressing, and I don’t think they offer any answers.
I am not going to take the line, “There’s more to life than finding a man.” To you, it seems there is no more to life. The question is, what are you going to do once you’ve got one? You say you have no passion for anything other than starting a family, so, obviously, you believe that marriage and children will make you happy and satisfied. Fair enough, but happy and satisfied for ever?
We need some sort of interior life if we are to be happy. If we focus all our ambitions on other people, we are never able to discover ourselves. And, if we are reliant on others for our happiness, what happens when they make other plans? The only certainty in life is change. Nothing stays the same, good or bad. A marriage may fail. Children will grow up and leave and, if they are to be the happy, confident individuals we want our kids to be, must be encouraged to become absorbed into the excitement and wonder of their own lives.
Where will that leave you? And what will you and your husband have in common, other than the kids? We like to be proud of our partners and that’s a tough call if their only achievement or interest is us. It’s a heavy burden to make another human being responsible not simply for our happiness but for our very existence. As for your future children, in what way will they be able to feel proud of you? Just for being a great mum? I hate to shatter anyone’s illusions, but they expect that anyway. It matters to kids to be able to feel proud of their parents as interesting individuals and people in their own right. Perhaps you have an absorbing passion such as medieval history, but my fear is that one day you’ll wake up, look around and say, “Is this all?” Worse, one day your husband and kids may wake up and look at you and say, “Is that all?”
For your own sake, do try to look at the bigger picture. The happy ever after doesn’t start at the altar. That’s pure, romantic fiction. As for the present, you say you’re not dependent — yet you seem completely dependent on someone (whom you have not even met) for your happiness. You write as if you’ve put your life on hold, like Sleeping Beauty waiting for her prince to rescue her. And, rather like that Beauty, you appear to be sound asleep or, at least, so inert that you can’t lift a finger to make the future happen. If you want it as badly as you say you do, it might be a good idea to put a little effort into it.
Why must a man make the first move? Stereotypes are shifting and surely that’s a good thing. Men are no better at facing rejection with an easy heart than women. If either sex is fragile, I’d say it was the male of the species. Just look at the figures on suicide and alcoholism. Perhaps, unconsciously, you won’t make the first move because you don’t see men as people but as husband material. With those expectations, nobody is ever going to be good enough. We are capable of many different relationships. Good friendships, for a start. How about inviting a man out and idling away an hour over a cup of coffee? So what if it comes to nothing? It might add an hour of pleasure or interest to your life. People are fascinating, and always surprising. Or, at least, they are if we don’t box them in with fixed preconceptions. You might say the same of online dating. It’s only depressing if you see it that way. It’s a practical solution to a difficult question — in this intensely busy and fragmented age, how do we meet people? It’s only when we load it with unrealistic promises that it becomes disappointing.
Of course it’s natural to want to love and be loved. However, it’s also sensible to start by learning to live with and love ourselves. If you do that, and stop waiting to be rescued, one day your prince will surely come.
If you have a relationship question for Sally, e-mail sally.brampton@sunday-times.co.uk. In case of publication, names will be withheld. We’re sorry, but Sally cannot answer letters personally
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there are gazillions of men out there, some are confident, but most are not. The issue of marriage/babies/ticking/biological clocks/failed past relationships is NOT a honey pot to any man, confident or faint hearted. Avoid this subject for a LONG time. 34 is a good age to still be out there looking.
Cathy, b.ham, uk
I know we need to be aware of our fertility declining, but she's 34, not 44 - it's a bit early for anyone to be suggesting adopting/conceiving alone! These are NOT easy answers, financially, emotionally or otherwise.I, like many of my friends, am 34 and single,and still hope to find a relationship.
Cathy, London,
'Love yourself first' is self-help nonsense.Not everyone in a stable relationship is a complete, secure human being.I get the impression the writer has a full life and a realistic view of relationships - but intimacy and family are important to her.Sadly, many men are lazy/dislike commitment.
Tiana, Bristol,
Start saying 'yes' to every invite you get. Even if you don't fancy going, doll up and wear something nice as there might be a nice guy there who didn't fancy going either!
Don't worry too much about your biological clock - you could adopt children, or have eggs frozen and get a surrogate mother.
Amy Davies, Richmond, England
The risk of infertility rises quite substantially with each passing year once a woman is in her thirties. With a doctor's help, become better informed about this. Then consider having a child on your own. There are several good support organizations to help you explore whether this is right for you.
Georgina, Chicago, USA
I agree with what the writer has said as i share the same view as her so i can feel and understand her pain, however i think at 34 shes still young and has the world at her feet. Also if its not to bold for me to say, there are alternative options, such as adopting or fostering and so on.
Kelly, Cambridge,
Take control of your life! Sally is correct - you can't rely on someone else to make you HAPPY - we are all repsonsible for our own happiness. BTW I proposed to my husband 17 years ago, so if you meet someone who makes the sun rise for you, GO FOR IT!
Alison, Jan Juc, Australia
I agree with Rob.. Men and Women are mean't to be together., that's what nature intended. So however, fulfilling you life is, many people still want a partner.
34 is not too old, but it is old enough to know what you want.
Sylvia - Being creative you can always contact me!
Paul, Bristol, UK
Patronising. I'm 34 too,intelligent,attractive enough to turn heads,with a career, interests and friends- I know many women like me.And we'd all love a relationship -it's natural! Online dating isn't easy - you need a thick skin, I had v few responses.Lots of men don't want a relationship, I fear.
sylvia , london,
I really hope the writer finds a family. It is too easy to say "just get a different life"
Take it from me, nearing 40 & still single gives you a lonely social status.
My invites to most things have dried up because I am not a couple.
There are only so many fun,spinster activites on offer
Jacinda , Brisbanea, Australia
She may have made the same mistake I watched several friends make; staying with the wrong men for too long. I don't care how terrific he is or how much you love him. If he doesn't want to marry you after 2 years of exclusive dating or cohabiting then he probably never will.
Candace, Virginia, USA
However well u try to hide it, many men will automatically assume that you are desperate when they get to know that you're 34, single and child-less. Your interest in them will be viewed with some scepticism. They want to feel sure that you really really like them for who they are first and foremost
Richie, Abu Dhabi, UAE
Excellent advice Sally. As a man of 36, I faced the same dilemma and was forced to change my thinking and the craving for the 'other person'. I was always chasing the elusive "I will be happy when..." until discovering a different approach through Buddhist teachings. I have found true contentment.
Russ, Brisbane, Australia
Certainly, it's a good idea to develop other interests apart from our partner and kids. Men do, and that can leave us feeling unappreciated. It's worth remembering what Byron said about love:
'Man's love is of man's life a thing apart,
'Tis woman's whole existence. '
- forewarned is forearmed.
Dorothy, Grasmere, U.K.
for gods sake she s only 34. she's being force fed a host of quotas that todays society tell us is the expected norm and feeling inadeqaute because of these constant comparisons we are compelled to make
patrick, Singapore, Singapore
Sally's response was patronising. I'm sure this woman knows perfectly well that she needs to be happy in herself but, for some, having a family and children is an important need. It's almost like saying to someone who is starving that they need to forget about food and just 'be happy'.
M A, Derby, UK
Much as I admire Aunt Sally's advice, I would add to it that at 34 you should get online and be upfront about what you want out of the next 25 years and a relationship - i.e. marriage and children. There are men out there who want the same thing, and you may as well rule out the ones who don't!
Jessica, Reading, UK
Instead of wasting time worrying why don't you do something you enjoy? Surely you have some interest that can be social. Spend your time enjoying your interests and you are destined to meet people that you and they will be people you like. Think about it, you already have something to talk about!
Darren, Cheltenham,
There is nothing wrong with online dating. I am happily married to the man I met this way. If you wanted to buy a new car you wouldn't just wait for one to drive up and park on your drive would you? If you want to meet someone you have to be proactive. Be open to any opportunity to meet new friends.
Frankie, Shetland,
No matter how fulfilling ones independent life is, there will always be a hollow gap inside us when there is no life partner to love and depend on. This 'create your own life first' crap is just wishful thinking. We are programmed to love and pro-create and will be forever missing something without
Rob, London,
In a similar state, I was 33 when I ran into an unlikely figure who I now happily have 2 kids with. A number of my friends did the same. You shouldn't despair, but you do sound a bit depressed and desperation shows. Get on and build your life, do things you enjoy and you never know what will happen
Sarah, Swansea, Wales
Fill your life and enjoy your freedom. Don't look for a relationship as a wife or mother to define you. Women who function living vicariously through children are so over-bearing and, as is correctly said above, end up with nothing for themselves. Change jobs, go travelling, be yourself.....
Julie, Punnetts Town,
Load the dice.
Organize to be where you meet
and talk with eligible men. Shopping at right time,singles bars, parties, sports events.
Make the first move. Women are much better at this.
I was single for 14 years, met love of my life.
Still happy after another 14.
Leigh Vernier, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
She feels there is no hope at 34! I've been on my own 12 years now going into my 50s; the only men I have met have wanted to use or abuse women ie conned, stolen, lied & cheated; are there really nice men out there capable of loving? Good Luck Luck - but better be resigned to living on your own!
Benni, Sheffield,
This woman only sees herself in the husband-&-kids context because that's all she's surrounded by. My advice? Take a sabbatical from work, get a backpack and see the world. Only then will she realise there truly IS more to life, and gain self-confidence & interesting stories to share on her return.
Spinny, Taipei, Taiwan
The reader doesn't seem to me to be focused only on "finding a man" or having children. She's facing the prospect of spinsterhood (yes, spinsterhood), which is every bit as much demeaning and marginalized a position as it ever was in Victorian times. She's right to be worried.
Kathy, New York, United States
Excellent advice.
Tina , Dusseldorf, Germany