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Russia is considering arming its Baltic fleet with nuclear warheads for the first time since the cold war, senior military sources warned last night.
The move, in response to American plans for a missile defence shield in Europe, would heighten tensions raised by the advance of Russian forces to within 20 miles of Tbilisi, the Georgian capital, yesterday.
Under the Russian plans, nuclear warheads could be supplied to submarines, cruisers and fighter bombers of the Baltic fleet based in Kaliningrad, a Russian enclave between the European Union countries of Poland and Lithuania. A senior military source in Moscow said the fleet had suffered from underfunding since the collapse of communism. “That will change now,” said the source.
“In view of America’s determination to set up a missile defence shield in Europe, the military is reviewing all its plans to give Washington an adequate response.”
The proposal to bring back nuclear warheads was condemned by Kurt Volker, the US ambassador to Nato, who said he knew of the threat.
“It is really unfortunate that Russia chooses to react by putting nuclear warheads in different places – if indeed it does that – when the rest of the world is not looking at some kind of old-fashioned superpower conflict,” he said.
The warnings came 24 hours after Russia told Poland that it could face a nuclear strike for agreeing to let the United States station components of the missile defence shield on its soil.
The Russian military also said it would ignore attempts to restrict the movement of its Black Sea fleet in and out of Sebastopol, in Ukraine. The Crimean port was emerging as a potential flashpoint in Russia’s efforts to prevent former Soviet countries on its borders from joining Nato.
This weekend Ukraine further angered Russian officials by offering to create a joint missile defence network with western countries.
The Russians have already indicated that they may point nuclear missiles at western Europe from bases in Kaliningrad and Belarus. They are also said to be thinking of reviving a military presence in Cuba.
In Georgia, Russian forces extended their reach across the west of the country yesterday, occupying several towns, seizing control of a main road and blowing up a railway bridge. Working with Abkhazian fighters they seized several Georgian villages and the Enguri power station. They pulled out of Igoeti, a village near the capital, after President Dmitry Medvedev signed a ceasefire agreement. The deal gave the Russians the right to continue patrolling “a few miles” inside Georgia. President George W Bush called the signing a “hopeful step”.
David Cameron, the Conservative leader, seized the initiative with a lightning trip to Tbilisi, becoming the first British politician to meet President Mikhail Saakashvili since the conflict began. Critics have accused government ministers of dithering.
Writing in today’s Sunday Times, Cameron says: “Russian armies can’t march into other countries while Russian shoppers carry on marching into Selfridges.”
I totally agree with Russia.
Phillip, Ontario, Canada
I do like the Russian people and thier history, however they seem to act like the school bully, Milliband was right when he said to Russia "your neighbors either a enemy or a vassal" the people of eastern europe had 50 years to appreciate Russian charm/culture. Heady days not!
mike, Birmingham, uk
Irishman, we had 22.5% of world GDP just 400 years ago (TIME, August 2007). The growth of China, India is just a rightsizing of the global economic order. We are creating a navy to turn the Indian Ocean into a private lake. And an army and AF that'll make the Wehrmacht look like a Harlem street gang
Rakesh Krishnan, Auckland, New Zealand
rakesh, your argument is floored in so many ways, not least of which is your apparent assurtion that the chinese indians and russians are gentically more inteligent than anyone else.
not to mention that i cant see any indian government being stupid enough to ally itself with two dictatorships.
will, grimsby, uk
You really think that in Georgia democracy? It probably a joke. Almost half of population of Georgia have left to live to Russia, probably they very much like "democracy" in Georgia?
Sid, St-Petersbug, RU
Most Americans are non-interventionists. We'd like nothing more then to bring all our boys home. Why are we building a defensive shield for Europe? They can spend their own blasted money. The cold war was a disaster for the Soviet Union. Let the USA stay out of this one. Europe hates us anyway
rt, USA,
Ronald Reagan said, "Peace through strength." IMHO, that's exactly what the Russian leaders are now thinking. Capitulation to the U.S. is feared to lead to devastating consequences in Russia, possible dissolution, U.S.-fuelled ethnic conflicts and civil war etc.
Andrey, Moscow, Russia
It s so sad that we cant find pieceful solution in this situation...
Maria, St Petersburg,
About 70% of russia's export is oil.
As long as russia needs our money, they will not attack us. why bite the hand that feeds them?
Russia's new found confidence could be due to India & China's demand for oil - has russia realised they have other options to the west.
max patel, croydon, surrey
I never stop wondering how convinsing the lie can be! Why does Europe sing that American song all the time? Georgia bombed peacefully sleeping people in their homes at night with weapon of mass destruction, killing over 2000 citizents of Osetia, including Russian peacemakers.And who is the agreesor?
Anna, Moscow, Russia
2 Steve, Plymouth: That 2000 russian citizens wore so unlucky to borne there... But its no matter. They are simply the same as us. They are native people of Russia. And they wore killed exactly by americans, just by georgian hands. This is most importent....
Andrew, Moscow, Russia
Pavel in Moscow; what were 2000 Russian citizens doing in Georgia? Surely they were Georgian citizens if they lived in that country, if not they must have been illegal immigrants and therefore have no rights other than safe passage on their way back to Russia - or am I missing something.
Steve, Plymouth, Great Britain
So Rakesh, the best minds. So why is your country full of poor people? Maybe you need to go home and tell them how bright they are, huh?
John, Clifden, Ireland
Why do people slag off the US everytime something like this happens instead of blaming the impotent, posturing European leaders we are currently stuck with? The US is taking defensive measures (with Poland's permission) and Russia is having a little tantrum and getting out its nukes - GROW UP!
EW, Bristol, UK
the arrogance and ignorance of the russians is simply overwhelming ,given their past horible experimentations and botch ups with nuclear technology.chernobyl,nuclear testing in kazakstan.i dont seem to comprehend how any normal russian cant see the true enemy..putin and a few other tyrants.
dave, exeter, UK
Then one state prepare to war, other state began prepare too. I have say's this in first day of discuss of this document at BBC. Europe must think by their heads cause we all at same place and at the end it's no long to have war beetween Europe states again.
Dmitriy, Novosibirsk, Russia
India as a contender? You've got to be joking.... Everyone always periodically saying "it's just about to become first world!" And yet, it never happens. Forever arriving- that's India's fate. Compared to Russia and China it's utterly inconsequential.
John, Oxford,
If the US is deep in debt to China to the tune of trillions of dollars and India is buying up their businesses and entertainment industry, how long will America remain a superpower? I'll say a decade more at best. The best minds are in India, Russia and China and we'll rule the planet.
Rakesh Krishnan, Auckland, New Zealand
Marina from Moscow, Russia doesn't own any of the troubled industries in the US, they've been outsourced to India and other south asian countries, Not Russia!
Glenn, Brooklyn , US
ljheidel, Jersey City, NJ, US
Oh, you make my day :) Ivan the Terrible...It was 1530-1584, but what did you do then you came to Indian Land? What was the price for it? where is Indians now?
I don't want to start the confrontation between us, but you should to take the lesson from your history
Sergei, Moscow, Russia
A few more days of negotiating and Russia will have taken over the country in the mean time.
Dr Ralph Cramden, Colorado Springs,
Only 1 country (Finland) out of 15 payed its share of Euro's 11.5 Billion Debt from WWI. All others defaulted after 9 years of a 62 year payback agreement except Hungary (1939)
As for right wing propaganda? Thats funny. We have both sides of the lunatic press and no gulags or walls to keep us in.
Tim, Portland, Oregon, USA
For 600 years, Russia has been run by an autocrat focused on the expansion of its territory and subjugation of the conquered. (The USSR was pretty similar to Tsarist Russia in this way.) Putin is heir to the legacy of Ivan the Terrible. I'm shocked that anyone is surprised by this turn of events.
ljheidel, Jersey City, NJ, US
Here we go again. We endured the Cold War which could have killed us all. For no good reason. Russia built the wall to keep their own in, not keep us out. They will never invade. They know our culture will always beat theirs. Cut the aggression. Talk, negotiate and stop being childish.
john C, cork, ireland ex Liverpool
I agree with many Americans posting here. Lets leave Europe to Europe. They hate our presence in foreign affairs. Europeans think Americans are stupid, fat, or Christian religious nuts. Build an iron clad missle system, drill our own oil, master the use of hydrogen and let Europe deal with Europe
Chris, Drakes Branch, VA, USA
I'm sure W. Europes threat to punish Putin over Georgia has Putin quaking in his boots- Watch out Georgia, Munich agreement II is coming.
I think Georgia would do better taking a page from the Afghan mujahideen.
Steven M., McKinney, USA
Ed, Sheffield, UK
Do your self a favor and google "Yellow cake" iraq. Bone up on your "we did not have proof" statement.
"The removal of 550 metric tons of "yellowcake" - the seed material for higher-grade nuclear enrichment"
I would give you links, but the page wont let me.
JP, USA, USA
Appeasement? Remember WWII?
Jeff, cupertino,
interceptor missiles based in Azerbijan could not obtain the correct trajectory for intercept.They would end up in a tail chase.
mike, ft.smith, u.s.a.
Let Europe continue appeasing it's enemies.
It is what they do best.
JP, Chehalis, USA
If all this isn't in itself a reason to keep Obama OUT of the Oval Office, I don't know what is. Think about it -- a man like BARACK OBAMA, as the POTUS, with THIS kind of potential danger out there?
Ela, FAIRBANKS, united states
Ronald Reagan said, "Peace through strength." Capitulation is hobgobblin of little minds are dreadfully fearful. The Russians under Putin are trying to revive the Soviet Union. Stand firm world because they will be the first to blink!
C. Anderson, Grand Rapids, USA
I think Obama is the real answer to the global crisis in front of us. Otherwise, I think we might want to consider the old style nuclear back yard bunkers we were building years ago.
Obama has the answer!
David, Columbus, USA
Russia had said before the Georgia conflict that it was thinking of flying bombers into Cuba. About a year ago it was reported that 50% of the press reported on the USA had to be negative. I could go on but the point is that Russia has been planning it's comeback for years. What a mess!
Randy, Douglasville, USA
Steve , South Whitley, IN, USA
Do you really think we need your WTO, your G-8 and that we will allow you to put your troops in our backyard?
Pavel, Moscow, Russia
It doesn't really matter what Russia does with positioning it's nukes because the real reason for the American missile capability is to defend against the 21st century threat coming from the Middle East. We in the west should not get all excited or we will just help to confirm Russia's suspicions.
chuck, Las Vegas, US
Good point, Habu. Europe in its Genes is just aching to surrender.
To anyone.
JP, Chehalis, USA
There is just way too much testosterone on this board. The pugilism displayed here is reminiscent of Redd Foxx, the stubborn, sarcastic, argumentative antique dealer of "Sanford & Son," always ready to defend his honor by flailing his arms wildly at Esther, Grady or Rollo.
Amos, Needmore, PA/USA
Yes at you that a freedom of speech =) Where when to you speak the truth on the air - at once there are technical malfunctions =) can Russia it is necessary to buy the new equipment for your mass-media?
Vitalis, Tyumen, Russia
The US and NATO have brought Russian belligerance on themselves with their stupidly aggressive tactics toward Russia, flying in its face, tyring to surround it with a necklace of hostile states. Russia has finally had enough and is striking back. NATO needs to change its tactics, or better, disband.
Hal, Tucson,
Ruusia would dearly to put their hot little hands on American technology, this is why they offered deals in Aberzjan (sorry). They can put whatever they like on their ships and subs, what happened to the Kursk seems to have been forgotten
Anthony L, Chelmsford, UK
The EU response has really been robust: there's nothing like a completely disregarded cease-fire arranged by a leader whose country is dependent on Russian energy. I am glad Britain has its special relationship with America. Our other allies are rolling over in impotence as usual.
William, Oxford, United Kingdom
Poland and the rest of Europe needs military protection from Russia. The russian reaction to the deal is a clear sign for it. It's a shame that some many people here just say it's non of our business! What Europe needs most however is unity!
Martin, Warsaw, Poland
There are far too many people on the planet. We need two earths to supply all the things we need. The powers that be have decreed that we need to get the population down to under half a billion people. We are heading towards global thermonuclear war. Prepare for much worse to come.
stan, bexley, UK
Just when I though we were pas the nuclear threshhold - we are back at it again. It's insane to say the least.
Alex, Moscow, Russia
I agree with your sentiment - we must get through to our leaders that we want cooperation not confrontation.
Phil Lewis, Old Colwyn, North Wales, UK
Yes, Russia as worked hard to turn its neighbors into enemies, and Europe will certainly blame the problems created on US and the Jews, that is until they need help with Russian agression, and then when the smoke clears, they will complain we showed up late.
Greg, New Jersey, USA
American interference in Georgian affairs and forcing this war on the Georgian people has, for the first time demonstrated the West's actual intentions to our generation; to make our allies our enemies, to surround us with missiles and to force us to surrender to a global common culture, lead by the United States.
Their main aim is to divide and rule. A concept pioneered by the Romans, adopted by the British, driven by the Americans.
Marina, Moscow, Russia
As for the comments that Russia is pointless....we HAVE already started buying your financially troubled national industries.
As to thank the US technology and goodies...well thanks for Macdonald's and for making half of the world is obese!
We are not banning US films, US electronics (made in China, along with American flags by the way)
Marina, Moscow, Russia
Russia joining NATO would be the best solution. As long as you guys consider us to be your enemy, encircling my country with militaru bases, that is what you gonna get in responce. And don't give the crap like all this does not threaten Russia, Serbia and Iraq examples best illustrate your policy
vladimir, Moscow,
Let the rest of the ungreatful world fend for itself. I'm tired of being spit on by the rest of the world after everytime they ask for help and we give it. Japan, China, Russia, England, Italy, all of them. The only exception I think is Isreal. They have never back talked us that I am aware of.
Phil, Rockford, IL, , USA
The blind nationalistic fever displayed by all sides in these comments is depressing. Where are the people with empathy, with an understanding of the other point of view, or with an acknowledgement of complexity? The EU, Russia and the US are complex societies. None of them all good or all bad.
Dave, London, UK
@Mariya: A few russian expatriots got gold for America so Russia can't possibly be controled by a savage? Your logic does not hold water. As for minding our own business, if Russia had taken that advice, it would not have invaded.
Greg, New Jersey, USA
Yes the USA should pull out of Europe, you do no good here, your military posturing is mostly what causes the tensions to grow. It was a relatively small incident until u put ur missles back in Europe. We all know Russia would nuke you first, so pull out & take your missles with you, oh and goodbye!
dan, reading, england
Mariya, St.Petersburg, Russia
You should thank the USA technology that have allowed the russians to have proper computers and medical equipment and Medical research (like in Samara) and many other goodies, instead of slamming them down. Still, it is much easier to ignore the good things given/done.
Anthony L, Chelmsford, UK
For those Americans who obviously been lied to regarding the World War please go to :-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II
then "go figure" !
James, Aberdeen, UK
We like Russian people(thats why we allow immigration) we distrust an authoritarian Gov which used every means to subjugate its people IE the Berlin Wall, Stalins intimidation & mass murder, gulags etc. Putin was educated by those mass murderers and wants to return to the good old day
Tim, Portland, Oregon, USA
Russia has only said and done what it had to, faced with the threat of being surrounded by a USA missile shield. Georgia brought it upon themselves via Georgian President, Mikheil Saakashvili. He and his like are fanatics who needed to be stopped. Do we want to initiate a nuclear stand-off? Nuts!
Edward Ashley-Smith, High Wycombe, England
I'm amazed that Mariya is able to post. It's a good thing she doesn't live in Georgia. Russia has been nuking their network since before the invasion.
As goes Russia, so goes the world- and all her errors spread throughout it. Russia's sad pointless existence is taking its toll on its neighbor
Oppenheimer, Virginiia, USA
The Neo-cons on all sides are in 7th heaven. This is just perfect for them. War, destruction, hatred, fear. This is their meat and potatoes. Bigger armies, more weapons. More power for them. Dont fall into the trap folks.
Martyn, calvia, spain
Well, for all of those that don't want the USA to help or say its none of our business. OK, thats fine.., Don't come crying to us asking for our help like you did in WW1 and WW2..... we will remember everything that has been said, Many of you English would be speaking GERMAN if it wasnt for the USA
USA-Terry, Bangkok, Thailand
On the account of Ukraine... Forgive, but there a lot of Russian and who is a lot of those sympathizes Russia! " Kiev - mother of Russian cities ". A question: where will shoot Ukrains, fur-trees there will be a war from NATO? The answer: it is clear, what not to Russia!
Vitalis, Tyumen, Russia
Maybe all you America haters can explain to me why IF the USA is so horrible, why it didn't just nuke all of you after the collapse of the only other super power (USSR) that had the ability to fight back. Ask yourselves what the USSR would have done if the situation was reversed.
EJM, NJ, USA
Would be really nice if americans minded their own business - their constant claim to "save" Europe from "savage" Russians would be pathetic if it were not that harmfull. Look who's getting you Olympic gold - native Russians, same in music, ballet, etc - be gratefull you had russian brains to help u
Mariya, St.Petersburg, Russia
@ Larry: Telling Russia a missile defense in Poland against Iranian missiles would benefit it wouldn't work. Russia (probably correctly) perceives zero benefit from an anti-Iranian system because it is already in bed with Iran. Russia also regards Iran as a red herring for an anti-Russian system.
B. Mac, South Bend, IN, United States
That's right Jake White. We did nothing to help. You have it right. We should do nothing now. You don't need our help, and we should not give it to you. We should most certainly only think about ourselves, as any action we do or any sacrifice we make only draws the same contempt from you people.
Mike, Thousand Oaks, USA
to allen antrim, usa
Im glad to hear it. Let Europe to built its own missle shield. If its necessery of course. Becouse while Europe will buy the oil in Russia, Iraq, Iran, Turkmenistan and etc she will be in safety. But who want to take the foreign resources by the power he needs the m.shield.
Sergei, Moscow, Russia
AMEN!!! Let's rely on the help of some mystical figure responsible for more death in this world then all the wars put together.
As core EU countries get wiser they site less and less with US, so US needs new poppets, hence Ukraine, Poland and now Georgia sucking on American "lollypop".
Oleg, Phily, USA
Nonsense Justin,
A Russian response to a first strke would be massive and come from non-balistic launches. This defence would not stop a counter attack. A smaller balistic attack it could handle. Think Iran. Russia was invited to be part of this shield and said no. Why? Iran is theirs.
Patrick Crothers, Arlington, United States
According to my personal impression USA is trying to encircle Russia with rockets, military bases, anti-missile systems and isolate politically. On the next step USA will divide Russia (which has 37% of the world natural resources) as Soviet Union and place under total control. This is wrong way.
Andrey, Moscow, RUSSIA
Thank heavens for the return of the cold war. At least the US warmongering will have some checks against it.
Shame that it had to come to this though.
Krishan, Sydney, Australia
So, just to clarify. Russia conducted a well-planned operation in Georgia causing thousands of deaths and the destruction of a democratic state. Then Russia threatened to blow up Poland with nuclear weapons. And this is the US's fault. You people have become deranged with your anti-US feelings.
Thom Calan, Washington DC, USA
USA does not help europe enough you think about yourselfs before the rest of the country. Your resources are not wasted on us you waste it upon your selfs. Europe defended them selfs from germany in world war 1 and 2 and all you guys did was come in late and get the ones that were left.
Jake White, Camberley, England
Let the EU take care of themselves. Good luck with that, you're going to need it.
The Moll, Golden, USA
I've seen a lot of war and it is terrible, but it is not the most terrible thing.
An entire civilization too cowardly to stand up for itself is far more tragic. I see little hope for the future of the west.
The moral relativists and cowards that make up Europe today sicken me.
fluwoebers, Colorado, USA
Russia wants to control oil for it's own benefit. It is attempting to strangle the economic life out of Europe and its neighbors. Most intellects know this, but the common man in Russia appears to be ignorant. The fix: Use alternative sources and if necessary bring sanctions against Russia.
Joseph, St. Louis, USA
Russia's actions aren't surprising... They have adopted capitalist economics but kept the Politburo, and see the opening of former satellites to democracy *and* capitalism as the USA's doing and a threat. Putin only digs a deeper hole by behaving so belligerently in an age of global integration.
Chris Thompson, Chicago, IL, USA
Waht will you say than we will deploy our nuclear weapons on Cuba near USA? I think you won like it. But how you dare to blame us for our war if you deploy your missiles by our borders. Russian people 90 percent support Putin, because of your actions.
Anton, Tomsk, Russia
JP and R. Harris, I agree with your comments, however, you must acknowledge that the Georgians attacked SO first, ruthlessly killing innocent men, women and children with OUR military assistance.
The Russians came in as the peace keepers to rescue the SO.
Stephen, Denver USA
Stephen, Denver,
What don't all you apologists get?? Do you wan't to live under totalitarian rule? I guess Europe wants to speak Russian and surrender it's sovereignty and their childrens future of freedom. Whatever, as a US citizen I am tired of protecting your freedoms anyway.
KK, Columbus, US
WW3............it's coming
Rob, Corona, USA
"Russian Armies can't march into other countries, no more so than our and that of our allies [USA/Israel] marched in to Iraq or Palestine. It is precisely this double standard that give credential to Russia to do as it will". USA only ask for enough land to bury their soldiers, not colonize.
s., FL, usa
The Russian leaders should be told that having NATO nations between them and Islamic Dictatorships would be a benefit to Russia, and that missile defense in Poland against Iranian missiles would likewise benefit European Russia.
Larry, Fresno, USA
Governments and those who govern create these problems for their own power and profit.
Larry, Thousand Oaks, CA,
Marty, the system is close to what you are describing but you are missing the point.
The Russians are correct in pointing out that this antiballistic system would be used to knock out any (ballistic) missile counterattack they could launch against a first strike by your country.
Justin, Toronto, Canada
Russia out of G-8 and WTO. That's pretty funny. I hope Frau Merkel and her people enjoy having very cold homes this winter.
C Penniston, Chicago,
Pull out of Eurasia and use the money on our US infrastructure. Why do we keep spending money over there? Let Europe build its own missile shield.
allen antrim, warrensburg, usa
I am a european but I am with the Russians on this one. US provocations and aggressions such as arming the Georgians , Poles and EU expansionism are affronts to history. Remember Nicaragua, Panama, Cuba, iraq, Afghanistan, Venezuela. US hypocracy is breathtaking and that europe accepts it, sad.
RobMac, whakatane,
Russia wants to avoid having the US, and Europe ganging up on it in a military aliance. But NATO was started as an anti-Soviet alliance. It didn't dissolve with the Cold War. Eastern European countries want to join because they fear Russia. All this feeds their paranoia. Let's be very careful.
John, Pasadena,
Europe has been at war with one or another on and off for centuries. The Russians are paranoid about everyone else.
Are all these people there so stupid to not recognize that nuclear war is not winnable? Lets get our troops out of forign countries and let them fend for themselves for a while.
H.R. Hughes, Pasco WA, USA
After reading the European hate toward the USA, I think it is time for them to take care of themselves. Withdraw our forces from Europe and NATO and watch the Russian Empire grow as it swallows Country after Country.
You Europeans deserve one another with your appeasing sniveling.
JP, Chehalis, USA
I say pull EVERYTHING the USA has in Europe OUT, and let these
intellects in Europe figure things out for themselves. I'm tired of wasting the resources of the USA on these clowns in Europe.
Two world wars is enough. We've kept the peace in Europe long enough. Let them take responsibility!
R. Harris, Springfield, Mo, USA
Isn't the proposed shield a non nuclear kinetic kill missile system, dependent on radar intercept? It is not an offensive system in the least to my knowledge. So we move everything to ships and build more boomers, both offensive and defensive. Go Navy!!!!
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Marty, Boston, USA
Aiming good reasons or not, Moscow only did what U.S and Europe had neglected as a moral duty in Sudan;Firmly respond to an atrocious act, the death of 2000 civilians like us common people.
sergio, sao paulo, brazil
NATO should be in Georgia defending their soveringty. It must have been pretty embarrassing to have your entire airspace controlled by a fleet of SU-27 and country occupied by a rag tag group of unprofessional conscripted soilders.
Sam Reynolds, Mill Bay, BC, Canada
When British school children can't tell you who Winston Churchill was, and a vast majority can't and when France continues to have the spine of an eclair it is useless to talk about what the US has done for Europe.
Europe is a joke, and a drag on the US. Just surrender now and be done with it.
Habu, Florida & Montana, United States of America
I have to laugh at the Russian posters as they are completely brainwashed. Do they really believe Tsar Putin and the Russian media he controls is telling them the truth? Apparently they do. Russia instigated this war to get land and oil pipelines. Ukraine is next.
jeremy, San Diego, USa
Mikhail, Moscow, Russia:
Sorry, but your comments betray you. The whole free world has more than enough sources to know that Russia severely overreached here. Hopefully it will be made to pay for it. No more G-8 memberbship, certainly no admitting them to the WTO, and NATO for those who seek it.
Steve , South Whitley, IN, USA
We have provoked the Russians as much as they provoked us in Cuba 1962. Bush is a child, not a leader. A hypocrite of the first order.
Tom, Glendale, US
During the Cold War, the USSR was seen as the "evil empire" spreading its tentacles all over the world. Who will it be this time around? It is so incredibly obvious that the US is behind Georgia's attack. What would this media say if Cuba once again allowed Russian military installations?
Andrey, Seattle, Washington
USA is an opportunistic nation, I wonder what else it is going to do to keep diverting the rest of the world's attention from the situation in Iraq and possibly Iran... USA manipulated Georgia, who is next? USA needs to stop pretending being the world police,clearly, it has the worst moral judgment.
Hachirou, Nagano, Japan
It seems to me that the europeans only like the US when they need us. Why don't we just save our men and money by pulling out of these countries and letting Europe defend themselves. Russia has become rich from oil and now wants to take over her previous countries.
Scott, Kansas City, USA
Lets just make friends. I say appease Russia no matter what, it is not our back yard.
aaron, Portland, USA
Tend to agree with Sergey, Oleg, Tom Welsh, Evgeny, and Gaston, etc. here. What happened to we in the U.S. holding hands with the Russians in space? It can be done. Money talks as far as defensive/offensive weapons. The shame of it.Those who stand for peace-pray. We are all Earthilings!
Karen, Juneau, Alaska, USA
About time the world wakes up to reality .
Neo-Comunists are a real threat
If we don't act now it may soon be to late
MoisheK, New York,
This situation has been in the works for a while - look at the murders of journalist and the attempt to kill all that speak out against Putin and his cold ward tactics. Why are leaders and journalist being poisoned and eliminated. WAKE UP! Ignorance is bliss.
Karen, San Francisco, USA
We should of confided more with Putin about the missle shield in Europe, even at that it was no threat to Russia.
The world seems to be on a course that will bring about more conflict not less, precieved threats not real threats.
Russia is engaged in something that is waking the West up.
Sonny, Newportville, USA
Saddam Hussein in violation of 16 UN Resolutuions which authorized resumtions of hostilities of the 1st Gulf War. Would someone please explain the double standard Dominick is talking about? What UN resolution is Russia acing on?
Dan Laubler, Canton, USA
This should all make for a very interesting Eurovision Song Contest next year.
Peter O'Donnell, Rochdale, England
Amazing. Even here you blame Bush. Why is the US sending leaders to Georgia while Europes leaders complain from guilded palaces from bygone eras? Why is it US planes sending aid while Europe talks and people die like in Darfur? This winter will you cry No blood for Oil while taking Russian oil?
William, Atlanta, USA
Everyone is missing the point here: Russia is emboldened after years of obscenely high gas prices, their wrecked economy can not possibly fund their current massive arms rebuilding, they need high gas prices to continue. Massive and global alternative fuels will cripple Russia, period.
Bill, chicago, USA
I thought such cheap propoganda existed only in USSR but this conflict has shown that western press is in no way better. US treats european nations like obedient puppets. The war has been started by the Republicans in US as a part of Mccains presidential campaign and so far it is effective.
Mikhail, Moscow, Russia
If the price of oil can just get back down to between 30 and 50 dollars a barrel then Russia will return to its post-Cold War economy and military when they seemed to be willing to get along with the US and Europe.
Hollandsworth, Hampton, USA
Don't you just love the way the western world imposes it's ideals onto the the rest of the planet. Makes me feel proud( or vomit ). Politicians throughout the west have to understand that our way of life may not be everyone else's cup of tea. Go on Russia, look after your sovereignty.
Richie, Louth, England
It is important that we europeans are thinking with our own
brain and not American's
B.Benzi, Cesena, Italy
Matt, Malmo,
The Americans were not on a beach in France. A conscious decision was made not to go into Berlin because of the expected number of casualties. Americans politicians had to worry about the heavy losses, Stalin not so much.
If you're gonna comment on history, get your facts straight!
Joe, Little Rock, AR, USA
To the other Americans reading these comments: Why are we still in Europe? It's time to bring the troops home and let the enlightened Europeans figure out how to deal with Russia. Then we could cut our spending and begin to balance our budget! Never again should we be pulled into a European war!
Joe, Little Rock, AR, USA
we have had 17 or so years of the one step back program...now on with the 2 steps forward approach... go Moscow go...take it all back and then some ...you can trust a communist to be a communist.
sean connor, ontario, canada
Advice from 75 percent of US citizens to new POTUS RE Georgia/Russia:
It is in the EU's back yard, it is their problem. They have been carping about it our foreign policy for eons--let them show us how it is done. NO MILITARY assistance--we have done all the dying for France we need, thank you.
Richard McClellan, San Deigo, CA,
thats not a democratic or free annex
fuse, Lincoln, USA
To Nick Moore of France- NOT ONE European nation paid its war debt to the USA after WWII. NOT ONE!!!! Finland was the only nation that paid its war debt, and they were an AXIS PARTNER! We then spent billions defending Europe during the Cold War for sixty years. Can't you be Silent & Ungrateful?
Dave G., Mansfield, USA
It is sad that Putin in his effort to assert Russian relevance in world affiairs chooses to sacrifice all the work of Gorbachev and Reagan. A generation of work is lost. The US , Russia and EU citizens are now less safe. Let us hope there are cooler heads in Russia that have yet to emerge.
David, Dallas, Texas
Moore: On Pearl Harbor day two Anzac divisions were headed to Britain - escorted by a US fleet. We had long been escorting British shipping over 2/3 of the Atlantic, attacking German subs and losing US destroyers. We were supplying Britain and planning with her our formal entry against Germany.
Peter, San Francisco, USA
Poland puts on body armor (the missile shield) and in response Russia threatens to shoot them (nuke them). Doesn't that prove its necessity in the first place?
Europe did not have to repay every penny in WW2.
Hitler never attacked America. We still chose to focus on Europe first.
Greg, Washington, DC, USA
2 larry,newark,usa
2007 sammit russia has offered the US to build altogether the missile defense system in Azerbaijan on the base of already exsisting military base...Azeri and Iran have the common border line, so it COULD BE more appropriate to build the base there than in poor Poland
Olia, London, UK
I think it would a great thing that the US pulls our troops out of Europe & NATO. I think we should start today as a matter of fact. Russia and Islam are more your problem and not ours. Good Luck on your future endeavors but I tire of your fantasies.
Mark, Hoboken, NJ, USA
Everyone is comparing Iraq to Georgia. Georgia is a free democratic country, like Canada or Sweden. Saddam Hussein was the most unpredictable, mass murdering dictator still alive. Russia is literally conquering part of Georgia while the US hasn't colonized anywhere in 100 years (and never did much).
Greg, Washington, DC, USA
Matt: US "at a beach in France while the Russians took Berlin." Learn a little history. Eisenhower -in what was perhaps his most controversial decision- halted US forces within easy range of Berlin to allow the Russians to take it (honoring the Potsdam agreement).
Peter, San Francisco, USA
This is really a discussion about ten or twenty things at once. Some people are talking about the second world war, and now I hear mention of Russian missiles being placed in Cuba. I can say that I have no clue why the US is so interested in building a "defense shield" in Poland. Iran? I doubt it.
Allan Peda, Brooklyn, USA
Matt: Russia fought in 15 million pairs of US boots, shooting US heavy machine guns, driving thousands of US trucks, planes, etc.) Tell me, why should the US have had any presence at all? Europe created Hitler and Stalin. Shouldn't we have just fought Japan and left Europe to its own cesspool?
Peter, San Francisco, USA
What, in heaven's name, is the matter with the present Russian leadership? Do they seriously believe that Europe and the US are plotting to conquer Russia? Get real guy's, and join the rest of us in the 21st Century. The biggest threats out there right now are climate change and Islamic terrorism.
chris, Guildford, UK
Ernest
though the fact america's inclusion in world war 2 did stop the nazis, that does not mean they are always right to enter every quarrel between countries, because the fact is the more countries included in a situation the more chance of a spark causing a war.
James, surrey, U.K
Why should I or any American care what happens in Eurasia that doesn't directly threaten us, much less pay for their defense with our money and blood? Let them debate about what to do while sipping coffee. We should PULL OUT OF EUROPE IMMEDIATELY. Russia is easier to deal with anyway.
Sam, Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
Many americans here go frightening people with Russian Bear.
Let's us remember the role of US in Vietnam, Kosovo, Iraq, Hiroshima and Nagasaki etc. Russian Bear is harmless Teddy bear by the side of US aggression. US "helps" only when it's advisably.
Alex, Moscow, Russia
Americans should stay in USA , and live rest of the world in peace.That way this planet would be much beter place for rest of as who cares about this world....
DRAGAN, OXFORD, UK
I support removal of all US troops from Europe and withdrawl from NATO. Lets protect the USA and build an inpenetrable missile shield. Let the Europeans deal with Russia and Putin and Iran. I am tired of fighting other peoples wars.
Dennis D, NJ , USA
It's interesting how many europeans see this invasion as America's fault, just as their grandfathers saw Hitler's invasion as the fault of those who dared to resist him. Does the term Quisling mean anything? Apparently America bailed Europe out too soon last time and they have learned nothing.
Tom, Sacramento, USA
russ. dont want radar systems scaning russ teritory reaching ural.they dont afraid from ten usa rockets from poland.without controling russia military movement it is imposible for west to take under economic and of course,military control mid asia.like in iraq and afghanistan.hard times to come.
sanjin, rijeka,
If the Bear is getting active perhaps Europe should figure out it's own future.
Keep in mind that the Bear has done this sort of thing over and over again to it's neighboring countries. A little annexation here and there hasn't hurt the world has it?
Roger, Mundelein, US
Gabriel, have you ever visited Russia? Have you ever met russian people? I bet all you know about us is what your TV and newspapers tell you. You are talking about the whole nation like about an aggressor. FYI this can be consideres as nationalism.
Peter, St.Petersburg, Russia
Let every nation, including Russia, join Nato, the EU, Shanghai Cooperation Organisation, Seato, the Morris dancing Club, etc, etc.
ian cheese, london, uk
Well, as far as this american is concerned, we'd rather not be in Europe, at least the part where we are not wanted. It's time to take a new head count, and decide whom our real allies are in Europe, and frankly, they are in the eastern part of Europe.
Kevin, campton, nh, usa
William, Knoxville, I assure you the Europeans are grateful to the US in WW2, but how long to we have to express it, another 60 years?
When so many postulate a military response to Russia, remember, as Tim, London said "Europe was destroyed by war twice in 30 years". We don't want a re-run.
Nick Moore, St Ouen, France
The shield is about political influences in the Eastern Europe. Russia was shown the red line no to cross and Poles accepted it because they regard the USA, despite its shortcomings, as much more civilized partner then Russia.
Bear Cub, Dublin, Ireland
Russian Federation has always be in shape. Why? It's all because of it's natural resourses. All the wars only about it. If we will not have strong army, Russia will be devided or invaded like Iraq.
Evgeny, Chelyabinsk, Russia
The only euro Nation that stand with us was the brits. Others just let us in american defend them. It would be in europe's best interest to cooperate with United states to help contain Russia a nation of agression and warmongering.
Gabriel, Orlando FL., USA
This is the 21st Century and it's not acceptable for powerful nations to bomb and destroy weaker nations without a Dodgy Dossier and without searching for weapons of mass destruction,
Russia fails on both counts, but their biggest blunder was not having the support of the lying right wing press.
joe reilly, spalding, England
I believe that Russia is acting out of paranoia when there is no reason for it. If they would allow other Post Communism countries to join NATO it would be a step forward for their country to show that they are that much more tolerant of sound political practices.
Stephen Leaton, Salina, Kansas
Threatening to nuke Poland over allowing components of a regional DEFENSIVE anti-missle shield?
What a spectacular overreaction. Its hard to take them seriously.
I say NATO membership for the whole universe of Eastern European nations.
Carl , Atlantic City, United States
Why are we WASTING our tax dollars defending the European INGRATES? I say we leave them to their own devices with the Russian bear (if the islamization of Europe doesn't complete the job first).
David, Boerne, USA
Montparnasse - Did you completely miss the extorsion attempt by Putin aimed at the Ukraine? Europe is not that rich.
Ralph Malph, St. Louis, USA
The Russians would be fools if they did not bolster their nuclear defences in view of the renewed American missile sites along its borders.
Soon the Russians may adopt a similar policy and begin siting their nuclear missiles within friendly countries like Cuba and Venezuela....
Robert Thomson, London, UK
Georgia attacked S. Ossetia??? That would be like a ant biting a bull, instant suicide. Russia made it up.
Europe wont worry about Russa, they know that the USA will bail them out like always.
...unless Obama gets in and talks to them. then we will have ww3.
Nate, PA, USA
Of couse Russia will up grade its nuclear dences and readiness in view of the renewed American military presence in Eastern Europe along Russia's border. The Russians would be fools if they ignored this threat.
Robert Thomson, London, UK
If the US would try to put themselves in Russia's position, they wouldn't plan a shield in Poland (why Poland btw, if it's protecting against Iran, wouldn't Iraq or Turkey be more appropriate?). If there would be plans of a russian shield in Canada, would the US accept that? Not likely!
Matt, Malmo, Sweden
Mark S., Seattle, Washington, USA Is it wise for USA to have its energy needs depend upon a business parter who is a violent religious terrorist?
Igor, Ljubljana, Slovenia
We have to pay for the race of arms again, common people both in Russia, America and Europe. And it only is necessary for authorities (US and Russia) - to frighten people of external threat and to extort money from us. Let's smoke the pipe of peace
Sergey, Saint-Petersburg, Russia
Viva Moscow and viva Medividev ,,,,at lesat Russian President has keep the leadership ,,,not as american did in Irak ,,,and befor talking on Russian ,,i advice the readers to see what Bush and Blair has did ,,,,,in irak and afghanistan ,,and ,,and ,,and ,,,
Riadh, Algeria, algiers
Dear William, Knoxville. The US were at a beach in France while the Russians took Berlin. So thanks to whom aren't we speaking German? A typical example of how indoctrinated you Americans can be.
Matt, Malmo, Sweden
For those who continue to harp on about it, the US only entered WW1 and 2 after it was attacked (US citizens onboard the Lusitania, and Pearl Harbour). As for bailing out the Allies, every penny had to be repaid, with interest business came first.
So please spare us the altruism.
Nick Moore, St Ouen, France
The West is done, over, kaput. Proof right here in the HYS: the US wants to put up a defensive system that has no ability to stop a Russian nuclear attack, and we have Russia aggressively threatening to nuke various European countries in response. What's the response here? It's our fault!
JTHC, San Francisco, USA
Maybe some of the more bombastic Americans posting here should try and understand the attitude of Europeans and Russians more. Europe was destroyed by war twice in 30 years. The US has never experienced death camps, carpet bombing, famine or the mass displacement of entire populations
Tim, London,
I certainly do not appreciate, as an American, having someone from France cast negativity at the United States' involvement in World War II. Regardless of why we entered the war when we did, if we had not you would be speaking German right now. Be thankful instead of spiteful. Thankful.
William, Knoxville, United States
This is the 21st Century and it's no longer acceptable for powerful countries to bomb and destroy weaker countries unless they possess a Dodgy Dossier and are searching for weapons of mass destruction.
Russia fails on both counts and they don't have the support of our lying right wing press.
joe reilly, spalding, England
Is it wise for Europe to have its energy needs depend upon a business parter who is a violent bully, a gangster, an assassin, and a poisoner?
Mark S., Seattle, Washington, USA
Well, I for one am looking forward to the utopian world of 'hopes and dreams' that is forthcoming. Save us Obama!
John, Kalamazoo, USA
Allowing Russian neighboring states to join a cold war org such as outdated NATO is provocative. Russians have a history of paranoid behavior, from invastions that occurred. If Russia places troops in Venezuela or Cuba, we will only have ourselves to blame.
Jim, Littleton, Colorado, USA
You know, the problem with Americans is we have become complacent and continue to deny any terroristic acts can happen here even after9/11. Wake up to the real world people! Putin has designs to dominate and become the biggest world power. We need to keep him in his place.
Ken, Phoenix, USA
We europeans better relativise the americans: all their 'heroic' stuff are hollywoodian tales to guive success to their own interests. Why did they fought Hitler once Europe was already lost? Russians at least keep their distance, and need a rich Europe, which is already a good field to deal.
Montparnasse, Paris, France
Excuse me! but didn't we invade Iraq, without any real proof that they were a threat. Russia has every right to defend itself.
Let's hope that when Bush has gone that America is less aggressive, and that in Russia, Putin can let go of his desire to be on the world stage.
Ed, Sheffield, UK
Jim, Littleton, Colorado, USA
Typical leftist! Appeasement is their middle name. The Russian bear is probably going back the Soviet times. For the left, this is a great dream. As long as it is Marxist, with the bloody gore, it does not matter what they do!
JAMES King, Bennington, USA
Even though Vladimir Putins "Puppet", President Dmitry Medvedev signed a cease fire, it still mean anything until Putin decides to honor it. Putin still rules Russsia and he is the one who is trying to start WWIII with the west. Someone should tell him that the "KGB" is gone and russia will grow.
Shawn, TN, USA
My, my. Look at all of the Europeans posting their America-hating opinions, even some from our own soil. How easy it is to forget good versus evil. The US did not start any of this and do you think interceptors in Poland are to protect Minnesota?
CURTIS, LAS VEGAS, USA
Savo of London - You are exactly right! The Poles and Czechs will find themselves in the same position as Saackashvyli - they'll take the HIT while the West sits by. It's a shame they cannot understand this.
der Wahrheit, Cuba, Missouri, USA
Just as I predicted Russia are now meeting with the leaders of Syria & Iran to negotiate new nuclear missile bases in those countries to counter US missile site in Poland as well as the 750 US foreign military war bases around the world. Russia's submarines and bombers will also be nuclear armed
Bob Bennett, Sydney, Australia
History tells the story of the US coming to Europe's rescue twice in the 20th century at great cost of life and treasure. For that, the only foreign soil ever requested was enough to bury our dead. Enough! The US should withdraw all troups from all bases abroad. Let the EU fend for itself.
Herschel, Upland, USA
"All the Russians have to do is turn off the oil and gas spigot
to the West, esp via the Druzhba "friendship" pipeline -- and
the Baltic submarine gas route to Germany."
If the Russians shut off the gas, it won't be for long. Where do you think they get a majority of their cash?
Anthony, Houston, TX, USA
It is obvious that under Putin's Crime boss management, Russia has moved from a nation on the way to incorporation into civility to International Terrorist .Russia can now be described as a Rogue nation and perveryor of international terrorism with it's Nuclear threat to Poland.
Peter Courtenay Stephens, Gloucester, U.S.A.
Has the US learned nothing from history about the Russian bear? The reason the Soviets placed nukes in Cuba was the provocation by Kennedy with the placement of Jupiter missiles in Turkey. Reagan's use of MRBMs and GLCMs in Germany was a proper response to Soviet expanionism. Disband cold war NATO!
Jim, Littleton, Colorado, USA
The real cause of this tragedy is Bill Clinton's "Oral Office" fiasco with Monica Lweinsky.He tried to distract the world by trashing Serbia, Russia's "Little Brother" The northern third of Kosovo must be returned to Serbia, Russia must get out of Georgia. Ethnic cleansing in Abkhazia must stop.
AJay, Flushing NY, USA
A quick review of human history removes all doubt about the inevitability of WWII. And the beligerent posts here only confirm the analysis. Nations are territorial creatures - always! History will record the USA threatened nuclear war when Russia placed missiles in Cuba; now Russia recipricates.
der Wahrheit, Cuba, Missouri, USA
I worry about the Russian Federation, loose briefings made to western journalists by military sources, the ambiguity between the sphere of command of the prime-minister and the president and the government machine and the courts. Are we looking at a new rogue state? Who controls in Russia now ??
Barry, Wetherby, G B
There is absolutely no reason to have the missile defense located in Poland. Russia offered the US a different and better location inside its country. This would have been a better position from an attack by Iran. This whole missle defense makes the world more unsafe. Wasted tax dollars again.
Chris, Cincinnati, US
The Russian and Arab's new found oil money resulting from wests reluctance to drill or open nuclear plants has allowed the thugs to retool and rebuild! They simply overcharge us at the pump and use the money to threaten us while the selfserving western politicians fiddle! We get the govs we deserve!
Denn, USA,
To those good people of the Commonwealth ,our cousins,joining us in faith & mutual risk and sacrifice ,we thank you.To those who are our foes in varied guises and forms , make no mistake- you will not divide us .
John Patrick, houston,
James
It would serve you well to remember that if the US had had no proclivity to serve as the " worlds police force " you and most of Europe would be speaking German now.
Ernest, Dallas USA
Ernest, Dallas, USA
alot of anti-american feelings here. but you are FREE to your opinion. it doesn't matter that we bailed you out of WW2, and then rebuilt most of eruope with our tax dollars. you don't need us, with over a half billion europeans to russia's 149 million, you can stop their aggression and economic war
DP, USA,
Why do the wolds superpowers postulate and arm themselves for yet another costly confrontation between East and west.
In a time which symbolises world unity in the form of the Olympic games, and on the otherhand dispare caused by natural disasters as a consequence of environmental imminent collapse.
Andy Light, Ivybridge, Devon
Why can't Russia take a proportionate action and set up their own shield.... tto react by pointing more nukes is immature. It shows a nation that is looking to the past instead of the future. Russia is doomed if plans to build its future with failed policies of the past.
Drew, Frankfurt, Germany
Europe would never defend America, e.g. Spain after terrorist bombing. Spain pulled out of the Iraq war. America will never forget!!! Most europeans are narcissistic. America should not place these systems in former Soviet block countries yet. Maybe Russia needs a 9/11 to see the light.
S, Cincinnati, USA
Alex,
The shield protects against lone missiles fired by terrorists or rogue nations, not Russian. This is a matter of proportion. The west creates a defensive system and the Russians deploy an offensive system in response? It shows fear and weakness on the part of the Russians.
Drew, Frankfurt, Germany
I am a Briton, and I am prepared to fight, and fight till the end in the name of freedom and democracy. We need to stand up to Russia. Once the bear has tasted blood it will come back for more, this is just the start of intimidation of parts of Europe, picking them off once again one at a time.
Brian, London, UK
Dominik, In both cases you mentioned, the international framework was followed. The UN gave its blessing in the matter of Iraq in 1990. The ceasefire was in place and hostilities began again because the terms of the ceasefire were not met. Russia invaded another country WITHOUT any legal authority
Mike, Centerville, USA
What kind of ground troops does Russia have at it's dosposal in the event of a limited war with the west? After the fall of the Soviet Union, their military fell into dissarray and the solders started deserting their posts. All they have left is the "nuclear" option to scare us with (again).
Paul Saylor, Perkasie, USA
i think this whole event would have been a lot quicker to escalate if the west had got involved, particularly america...
oh wait they did, if geroge bush could lear that america is not the worlds police force then many wars costing thousands, if not millions, of lives would not have occured.
james, surrey, Uk
Now we see Russia flexing her muscles. Just wait, she will be led by Iran to invade Israel! Iran has the hooks in the nose that controls the bear. And what hooks are those? Oil! Folks... it is going to be all out war for powerful states to claim their energy prizes. It's not rocket surgery!
Tim, Fort Lauderdale, USA
It's a shame Russians seem happy enough with their laughable living conditions as long as they're acting hard on the world stage.
At the same time, I sympathise with their position - Georgia's their backyard, no surprises they don't want it to become part of NATO, their traditional enemy.
Bill, Prague,
An appropriate U.S. response to the Georgia crisis would be to liberate Cuba. This would deny Russia the opportunity to set up any military presence in Cuba, just 90 miles from our shores. Everybody accuses the US of being an imperialist power, so it's high time we actually started acting like one !
Harald, Escondido, USA
I think the USA and Russia are underhandedly conspireing this whole conflict to create fear like terrorist do, so the military can be funded on both sides with tax payers money. If you look deeper in this and all issues, both militarys do not want humans to be in peace. War/fear=$$$$ Terror=$$$
Bob, Demotte, USA
Guys, Do you really think that we are "the good guys" and Russian are "the bad guys"? Don't be so innocent. Just look we have been made for long of history.
mark, london,
This is 1956 all over again.
Then the US was more concerned with humiliating the remnants of the bankrupt British Empire (easy) than with reacting to the Soviet invasion of Hungary (difficult).
This time, the Osama and Iran are the easy option (?).
Poor Georgia.
Albert, Paris,
"The deal gave the Russians the right to continue patrolling a few miles inside Georgia. President George W Bush called the signing a hopeful step."
Weep for Georgia.
January come soon!
Albert, Paris,
Europe will be doomed again if they are silent while the new Russian Reich threatens oil and gas cutoff and agression.
It is interesting that the nations like Poland, Ukraine and other former Soviet states speak out against Russia. They know what it is to be dominated. So good luck Europe.
John Dodge, Lafayette, LA, USA
Guys, do you really think that missile defenсe shield could protect against missiles with multiply nuclear warheads?
I think that basic concern of the setting up of ineffective missile defence shield by USA in Europe is destabilization of relationship between Europe and Russia.
Alex, Moscow, Russia
In actual fact Russia will never use the nuclear missiles, because nuclear war will be the end of Earth. We just like to live in peace.
Alex, Moscow, Russia
Instead criticise Russia action, American should blame their government for create instability in Europe due to installation of the missile defence shield. Everybody know that real reason for that. Why american people are so inoccent?
Mark , london,
Dominik
We may disagree on Iraq and Palestine, but it sounds like we agree that the actions that Russia has taken is wrong. Now that we are in agreement, what will your countrymen do?
When your flat is cold this winter, we will send fuel & blankets.
We will all pay for your inaction.
David Brown, Jacksonville, USA
Openly or not, according to the Master of Benjamin Creme, 24 states have nuclear weapons. The Pentagon and Congress (of both parties) have long had a basic mistrust of Russia (despite agreements and treaties). The American anti-ballistic (ABM) missile sytem has caused a new arms race.
Mahatma KH, London, UK
Some of the comments here are unbelievable - Nuclear strikes and Americans wanting Europe to fight.
This will all calm down eventually. As to some American comments, at present, this is just Russia flexing its muscles as a reminder. Europe would fight, should Russia ever touch a Western nation.
J. Turbert, Livingston, Scotland
Russia only understands and respects strength.
They are up to their old tricks, the West must stand up to them.
All former Soviet satellites have complete distrust and loating
of the Russian empire builders.
au, Krakow, Poland
The Russian Federation has threatened the UK in recent times, after that former spy was poisoned.
They flew Mig Fighter Jets within 20 miles off the Scottish Coast.
What right has Russia got, telling Poland, what it should or shouldn't do.
They're the one's threatening peace.
Paul Whelan, Sydney , Australia
"Georgian army killed about 2000 citizens of Russia. Russia protected its citizens"
Pavel,
Хороший день, господин! Don't forget that your news agencies are controlled (like ours) by the central government. They tell us what they want us to know. The pics from Georgia tell a different story.
Mark, Locust Grove, USA
This is 1956 all over again.
Then the US was more concerned with humiliating the remnants of the bankrupt British Empire (easy) than with reacting to the Soviet invasion of Hungary (difficult).
This time, the Osama and Iran are the easy option (?).
Poor Georgia.
Who's gonna be next?
Albert, Paris,
The West has deliberately started this new cold war by constantly trying to humiliate,and encircle Russia. The neo-cons need an enemy to justify Star Wars. Their hysteria over Russia's response to Georgia's assault on Ossetia is complete hypocrisy after Kosovo and Iraq. We don't want World War III
A Abilla, York, England
What price "moral authority" ?
No sense worrying about who said what. If Russia's at their old game, we must be sure not to lag behind. Let us have more powerful NATO, more US presence in Europe, more weapons systems funding. Does anyone really want to live in a grim Soviet world that does not believe in peaceful coexistence ?
Sean, Coventry, UK
Whether you believe we are created in the image of God, or have evolved through natural laws, the outcome is still the same. We are all human.
It's a real travesty that we are too shortsighted to work together for the benefit of the planet, rather than a few belonging to one misguided species.
Andy Cooper, Teesside, England
This is about... you guessed it, oil. Russia has made smoke screens to invade a DEMOCRATIC country and we have all fallen for it hook ,line and sinker.
Where is European Leadership now? This is Europe's first challenge. If Russia succeed we will be dependent on Russia for all Europe's oil & gas
K Roper, london, UK
Georgian army killed about 2000 citizens of Russia. Russia protected its citizens. USA are placing missiles in Poland against Russia. Georgia is getting the US humanitarian aid, Poland is paid for US military base. At the same time Russia is presented as an agressor. It is not fair to Russia.
Pavel, Moscow, Russia
I'm afraid, i'm afraid because russian nukelear technitians can launch these nukes on their own. Without much trouble.
Robert, Årdal, Norway
One thing Europe should understand, is that the US Congress has taken this country to a position of weakness. Once we elect a very weak president in Obama or McCain, Putin may see an opportunity to strike. Once the US is out of the picture, the EU is at the mercy of Czar Putin.
John, West Chester PA, USA
Mr Gloucester,
Europe would NOT become a Super Power. Europe would become a protectorate of Super Power Russia. None of your socialist political hacks in Europe have the intestinal fortitude to react in any other way.
Also they will cut off your gas and let you freeze in the dark some winter!
Scott, Pittsburgh, PA, USA
Cameron is right Russian Armies can't march into other countries, no more so than our and that of our allies [USA/Israel] marched in to Iraq or Palestine. It is precisely this double standard that give credential to Russia to do as it will. Think before you speak David
Dominik, london,
Where are the Europeans? You folks are acting like our little helpless sisters when what we really need are brothers. Stand for something please.
David Brown, Jacksonville, United States
The world needs the creation of a new superpower Europe. A strong Europe that won't need the USA to exert strategic leverage. The US has lost moral authority
to deal with Russia nor has genuine interests in fostering peace.
Only a credible strong Europe could bring real peace prospects to the world
Gus, Gloucester, UK
The World needs another President telling Russia what it is:
an Evil Empire.
Yes, McCain can. Only he.
Andras, London, UK
This is what we need, the security of a cold war.
We know where the ememy is, and how to deal with him.
The bogeyman of terrorism can now be put on the back burner, while we worry about the imminent destruction of the planet.
We were brought up with it, and can understand it.
Geoffrey Horan, West Yorks,
The western propaganda knows no boundries... What now, russians are the bad guys for doing exactly the same the USA has done in the past 50 years? Did you forget Serbia? These are double standards now and believe me the plot of the corporate elite will fail thanks to China and Russia.
Martin Matanov, Sofia, Bulgaria
How can anyone argue that a nuclear strike on Poland is a balanced response to the creation of a missile defence system in the region? If the US were sending multiple nuclear warheads into Eastern Europe then it would be a little more understandable, but this is not the case.
Adam, London, UK
Hey G Gibson, no one knows when the end is. It plainly states in the Bible that No One Knows the hour. Anyone who claims to know is just guessing. But only in the last century have we gotten to a point where this is possible.
Byron, Puna, Hawaii, USA
The current situation is the result of the decline of both the Russian and American empires. Superpowers have come and gone throughout history--from ancient Roman to British--but there was always going to be problems when this happened to 2 with nuclear arsenals. New vision is needed beyond ideology
John Crosby, Hastings, United Kingdom
Why accuse Russia .they are not puting missiles in Mexico and Canada?
zvezdan, lon, uk
why is europe taking America's side when its the Americans who bring arms to Rusia door step what a hypocricy.
one rule for the west another for everybody else. Rusia should arm the Iranians and lets see how the West likes it.
david, london, uk
Dave in the UK...I never read where the Russians offered joint control of anything. From what I've seen Putin was just waiting for the best time to strike Georgia, so he found this poor excuse to use. I see the Russian government going back their old ways, but not necessarily the people.
Larry, Newark, USA
I suggest we call the Russians bluff and give them the Nelson touch, a first strike of 500 3 mega ton air bursts ... that will teach them manners and respect.
Hugh E Torrance, London, England
For the life of me I can't understand how the US and Britain can ignore the sentence "..after Georgia attacked S. Ossetia" in their own news reports about the Russian move against Georgia. Such a piss-poor tactic of the American government to lie to our faces so blatantly.How can anyone trust them?
Robert Wil., Liverpool, UK
Western Europe has to find an alternative to Russian energy supplies, otherwise they will nationalize BP's investments in Siberia and just cut the tap next winter, so we will freeze without gas for our homes/electric power stations. As well, they use our money to pay for they nuclear toys.
Ricardo, Brussels, Belgium
The reason Russia is surrounded by enemies is because Russia has worked so hard to make their neighbors into enemies.
But I am sure Europe will work hard to explain how this is all the fault of the US and the Jews.
Dave, New York, USA
The American arrogance on this forum is unbearable. I supported the US in 2003 (Irak). If the EU (Sarkozy) had not brokered a cease-fire last Tuesday, however, Georgia would no longer be independent. Americans must face the truth: the EU is leading the West in this matter; the US can't.
Michael, Sheffield,
If America and Britain hadn't torn up the UN Charter by invading Iraq without a Security Council mandate, and without any threat to either country on the part of Saddam Hussein, we would now be in a position to handle the present crisis through the UN. It was created to prevent a repeat of WWII.
Edmund Burke, Kingston upon Thames, England
Putin is playing the role of "Mad Russian" quite well. This is essentially psychological warfare, fought by highlighting the West's known vulnerabilities (eg nukes, cyberwar, oil, small powers on Russia's border). As each new CIS state joins NATO, our obligations become more untenable. Slow down.
Craig, Bethesda, MD,
Please read Ezekiel 38 in the Old Testament. Gog and Magog is Russia, "The King of the North" is most likely Putin. We could be witnessing the beginning of the end for this world.
George Kitchen, Bromsgrove,
Bush's last misstake,why on earth deploy missiles in Poland?
It just create tensions between Russia and Europe. We certainly don't want to go to war against Russia ever.
Peter Darlington, Southampton,
They are saying it's ok to install PROs around Russia but it's very bad that Russia wants to defend. No country is in danger-unless it uses PRO against Russia, and when it does-this PRO will be destroyed by a misslile. Russia is defending-not attacking.